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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 13th of January 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    12:36
    [jitendra] https://in.news.yahoo.com/blind-not-lead-blind-she-103824893.html
  2. MichielBijl
    14:03
    What do people—or entities if you don't charactarise yourself as a person—in the room use as values for the placeholder attribute? Interested in different approaches.
  3. garcialo
    14:06
    I usually don't use it, but if I did I'd put an example of valid input
  4. MichielBijl
    14:09
    An exact example or something like: “e.g.: dinosaurs@rawr.eu”
  5. MichielBijl
    14:09
    if it was an e-mail address field
  6. garcialo
    14:10
    Yeah, with something like "ex." or "e.g." to clarify that it was an example of valid input
  7. MichielBijl
    14:10
    =)
  8. garcialo
    14:10
    and with sufficient contrast =p
  9. MichielBijl
    14:10
    Thank you, some users were confused by our input; they thought it was pre-filled.
  10. MichielBijl
    14:11
    Text field labelled “Room number” with placeholder value of “Bijv. A113”
  11. garcialo
    14:11
    Yeah, that's a problem with having sufficient contrast in placeholders
  12. MichielBijl
    14:12
    So have turned it into what you see above. It only had “A113” before.
  13. jkva
    14:27
    Hmm. A data dashboard. Needs to be real-time. Project mgr wants auto-refresh with 30sec intervals using JS. I argue case for button, since the request for data should come from the user. Not sure if I should argue my point stronger.
  14. MichielBijl
    14:30
    Can the entire data dashboard be observed in 30 seconds by all users?
  15. jkva
    14:31
    Good question! Most likely they are looking for a single value.
    I told the team I want to talk to users, since we are not the user and cannot know what they want. Sigh
  16. MichielBijl
    14:32
    Okay, but if that value is on the 10th row in the 14th column, can a user reach that vast enough with a screen reader for example? Or someone with a cognitive impairment?
  17. zakim-robot
    14:32
    [karlgroves] WCAG only requires “Pause, Stop or Hide”.
    I think some (many) people may want to consume the information in real-time. The important part is that users be given the ability to control how they consume the information.
  18. MichielBijl
    14:32
    I have no clue what the size of the data set is, so sorry for all the questions.
  19. MichielBijl
    14:33
    WCAG 2.2: Enough Time: Provide users enough time to read and use content. https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#time-limits
  20. jkva
    14:34
    @MichielBijl No, your questions are good ones. The dataset is fairly large by default - so that's a good point again
  21. MichielBijl
    14:34

    As to what Karl said:

    Turn off: The user is allowed to turn off the time limit before encountering it;

  22. jkva
    14:34
    Yes, this is excellent
  23. jkva
    14:34
    Note to self: consult WCAG before questions.
  24. zakim-robot
    14:42

    [karlgroves] > Note to self: consult WCAG before questions.

    Don’t sweat it. Questions are how ppl learn

  25. jkva
    14:43
    karlgroves: Thanks, and agree - but being more top-of-my-head familiar with WCAG contents can't hurt =)
  26. garcialo
    14:43
    @jkva Also, we really like talking. Questions help us do that.
  27. garcialo
    14:44
    Thank you for your contribution. =p
  28. jkva @jkva grins
  29. MichielBijl
    14:45
    Yes, please ask questions. Otherwise it's just me talking to myself =(
  30. MichielBijl @MichielBijl should learn when to shut up…
  31. MichielBijl
    15:10
    Nice way to meet 3.1.5 me thinks: http://blog.codepen.io/legal/terms-of-service/
  32. MichielBijl
    15:10
    WCAG 3.1.5: https://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/meaning-supplements.html
  33. jkva
    15:16
    Pff, my <table> looks good everywhere except in lynx :fire:
  34. jkva
    15:17
    Managed to improve things a bit with html4 attributes, but.... blegh
  35. stevefaulkner
    15:28
    @MichielBijl congrats on becoming an editor
  36. MichielBijl
    15:29
    Thank you Steve =D
  37. stevefaulkner
    16:13
    https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/687305246352216064
  38. MichielBijl
    16:16
    There should be a reader/reformat view in Apple Mail.app
  39. MichielBijl
    16:17
    Rich's e-mail are always set to font-size: tiny
  40. powrsurg
    21:30
    If tabs have an href and actually take you to different web pages is it appropriate to use role="tabs"/"tabpanel" and include the keyboard controls and what not?
  41. powrsurg
    21:31
    My gut says no and that this is really just a style thing and they aren't tabs in the same way as that design paradigm calls for
  42. MichielBijl
    21:33
    How can something be styled as tabs but not be tabs?
  43. MichielBijl
    21:33
    Ah, like the old sliding doors stuff?
  44. MichielBijl
    21:33
    Amazon had tabs for all their categories along the top.
  45. MichielBijl
    21:33
    Or the old Apple website, that sort of tabs?
  46. powrsurg
    21:38
    Basically I was wondering if I core Drupal 7's tabs for View/Edit/etc of a page was considered an accessibility problem
  47. powrsurg
    21:39
    when I run aXe it already complains about the core Drupal's search field (for logged in/admins) not having a label
  48. powrsurg
    21:40
    I forget the old Apple standard
  49. powrsurg
    21:41
    I guess, despite the fact that they call them tabs, it's really something that should get role="navigation" (or be in a generated <nav> element). Since this is more of a navigation to different pages than on-page tabs
  50. MichielBijl
    21:42
    I'm not familiar with Drupal. If it doesn't do an action on the page I don't think tabs are the way to go.
  51. MichielBijl
    21:42
    Styles are just that.
  52. powrsurg
    21:42
    yeah
  53. powrsurg
    21:45
    Right, but since it's actually navigation (and heck, Drupal actually has hidden text which would be a label for the navigation) it should have the appropriate roles ...
  54. powrsurg
    21:45
    for nav
  55. zakim-robot
    23:36
    [newtron] does anybody know how to take a screenshot with the voiceover web rotor open?
    the normal cmd-shift-3 or cmd-shift-4 aren’t working for me
  56. zakim-robot
    23:52
    [newtron] ^ solution, in case anybody is curious: os x’s grab util has a timed screenshot function