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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 27th of February 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. StommePoes
    Feb 27 00:00
    If it doesn't know for sure, it needs to default to the worst case
  2. StommePoes
    Feb 27 00:00
    but if a dev knows...
  3. zakim-robot
    Feb 27 00:00
    [karlgroves] Yeah. We’re 100% DOM-aware. Our tests take into consideration all of the CSS, JS, and Images
  4. StommePoes
    Feb 27 00:00
    that could be useful: ignore image loads
  5. zakim-robot
    Feb 27 00:04
    [karlgroves] OK everyone have an awesome weekend
  6. jnurthen
    Feb 27 00:05
    you too
  7. jkva
    Feb 27 00:05
    cheers karl
  8. StommePoes @StommePoes waves
  9. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 03:48
    @jpdevries: :+1:
  10. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 03:52
    @stevefaulkner: could you link aria-patterns on slack to a new channel?
  11. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 03:52
    On the Gitters that is
  12. jnurthen
    Feb 27 03:55
    +1 to that. Slack does not exist to me.
  13. jnurthen
    Feb 27 03:55
    And @MichielBijl why are you not asleep?
  14. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:02
    Picking up the girlfriend at Schiphol as a surprise.
  15. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:02
    So need to catch the train at 7AM GMT+1
  16. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:03
    (I really hope my girlfriend isn't on Gitter though, that would ruin the surprise…)
  17. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:04
    But just in case, hi sweetie!
  18. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:04
    =P
  19. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:11
    But isn't it like 5am?
  20. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:13
    Yeap, 5.13
  21. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:14
    So it'll be a lot of coffee today, and I'll try to get some sleep in the train.
  22. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:14
    Unless you have a really long walk to the station you are up really early.
  23. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:14
    I'm up still…
  24. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:14
    Oh.
  25. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:14
    More whisky then.
  26. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:14
    Was up doing some work till 2. Some cleaning till 4. No point in sleeping now…
  27. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:14
    Good idea
  28. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:15
    Aren't you out drinking beers somewhere?
  29. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:16
    I have kids.
  30. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:16
    I am drinking wine at home.
  31. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:17
    10 minutes till bedtime.
  32. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:20
    Ah, kids…
  33. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:21
    I have cats, but they don't mind if I occasionally leave for a couple of days.
  34. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:21
    Let alone a couple hours.
  35. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:22
    Yeah. Cats are easy except for the mess they make. Bit like kids there.
  36. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:22
    Yeah I need a house with a garden.
  37. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:22
    Fertilise garden + no mess inside = profit
  38. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:23
    Not sure cat crop is a prized fertilizer.
  39. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:24
    Probably not. Probably also why I don't have a garden.
  40. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:27
    I have one but I can't grow anything useful because I have too many big trees.
  41. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:27
    Except for a lemon tree in my front yard. Never have to buy lemons.
  42. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:28
    That's a plus
  43. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:28
    Yeah. Good for gin and tonics.
  44. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:28
    I never have to buy cat crap
  45. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:29
    Me neither. Have 2 kittens (well 5 month old cats now) who produce a ton of it.
  46. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:29
    Nice, I have two two year olds and one nine year old.
  47. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:29
    Four litter boxes to keep them busy.
  48. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:30
    Jesus. That is a lot of litter boxes.
  49. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:31
    You should have n+1 litter boxes where n is number of cats.
  50. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:31
    That's for strictly indoor cats though. Not sure what the formula is with outdoor cats.
  51. jnurthen
    Feb 27 04:31
    I figure 2 is enough. They seem to find them.
  52. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:32
    Yeah I'm not sure why it is, but I ended up with four anyway.
  53. MichielBijl
    Feb 27 04:32
    It's like the drink point thing, where you should really have more spread around the house. I just have one drink fountain for them, they seem to be rather pleased with that.
  54. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 09:14
    Goodmorning all :D
  55. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 09:16
    @StommePoes About tenon.io and newbies: I agree. As a newbie with testing on accessibility, all the warnings and errors were helpful to me. I NEEDED to know about empty links (ie: picture inside a link...), title tags that were the same as the link text,...
  56. StommePoes
    Feb 27 10:07
    Sophie yeah Karl did that deliberately (set the defaults to 0 and 0).
  57. StommePoes
    Feb 27 10:07
    You can make an account and change those settings though. You would never use 0 and 0 if you were using Tenon along with your linter etc for a build.
  58. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 10:08
    yeah, might do that in the future :D
  59. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 10:09
    Right now I just need to know all the things :P to get better and to get rid of a few bad habits/practices
  60. StommePoes
    Feb 27 10:10
    Of course it's nicest when wherever you're reading, there some kind of mark that says "this is a hard and fast rule!" and "this is one of those judgement calls things"
  61. StommePoes
    Feb 27 10:10
    I don't think I've run into that in any one place.
  62. StommePoes
    Feb 27 10:10
    Just something you go through over time.
  63. StommePoes
    Feb 27 10:10
    Also apologies to @muan, who was unhappy I called her a dude :P
  64. zakim-robot
    Feb 27 10:12
    [muan] :simple_smile:
  65. StommePoes
    Feb 27 10:26
    I need to find an ascii cat smile... =^.^=
  66. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 15:30
    Thoughts? http://www.sitepoint.com/accessible-footnotes-css/
  67. stevefaulkner
    Feb 27 17:25
    @MichielBijl I can set up a pipe, but it is limited to 30 msgs a day. in order to setup an unlimited pipe need to cough up $49/month for 5 pipes. I got the pipe for this channel for nix by selling my soul via https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/07/anybody-can-be-an-a11y-slacker/#sameroom
  68. jnurthen
    Feb 27 17:31
    I guess the question then becomes whether to move things over to gitter or leave them on slack. Or I guess option 3 is to find someone else who still has a soul left that they can sell.
  69. jnurthen
    Feb 27 17:37
    There are folks who can't use slack (restrictive firewalls). Does gitter have the same issue for anyone?
  70. jonathantneal
    Feb 27 17:50
    One of the hardest things to do is name things. I’m working on a new version of okayNav, and I’m uncertain what to call the hidden menu that contains all of the items that no longer fit in the primary menu. I’m thinking, I can call the primary menu “menu” and the hidden menu “overflow menu”. Does that make sense?
  71. jnurthen
    Feb 27 18:05
    I think that makes sense to a developer. Not sure it makes sense to an end user. Don't have any better suggestions for you though.
  72. jonathantneal
    Feb 27 18:54
    @sophieschoice, I like it.
  73. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 18:57
    @jonathantneal , at the moment I use footnotes for my websites and I use the code of Simon Collison. You can see it how it works here: http://colly.com/comments/redesigning_the_undesigned/
  74. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 18:59
    he also uses a bit of jQuery, and that's why I was looking for another solution. Because in my opinion it is not needed for a simple operation as anchor links (which is how you code footnotes)
  75. jonathantneal
    Feb 27 19:09
    @sophieschoice, it uses jQuery to generate the numbers? I’m not sure what I should be comparing, is all.
  76. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 19:11
    no, for scrolling. Which is why I find it a bit overdone.
  77. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 19:11
    Because if the jQuery-file can't be loaded or is broken, the anhor links won't work.
  78. jonathantneal
    Feb 27 19:12
    Unfortunately, I don’t get the scrolling effect on on the colly site. Not sure why. I do see the scrollto class on the footnote anchor.
  79. jonathantneal
    Feb 27 19:13
    @jnurthen, thanks for your feedback, btw. I feel the same way. Overflow is the best description I can come up with that doesn’t specify a particular appearance for those items.
  80. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 20:03
    btw, are there any other recommended slack channels or channels on gitter?
  81. zakim-robot
    Feb 27 20:42
    [kevinchao89] Are there ways to make nested list interaction more accessible for screen readers?
    1. Tried setting name or description on <ul>, but when using next/previous list navigation commands: aria-label, labeled by, describedby were not read by screen readers.
    2. The different bullet types that indicates the level in <li> are spoken by screen readers as black bullet, hollow bullet, etc. Hiding the bullet type with aria-hidden and role="presentation" didn't work. It'd be more meaningful to have the level reported (e.g. L1, L2, etc.).
    3. Screen readers only have quick-nav keys for next/previous list/listitem, but is there a method to navigate to first <li> in <ul>?
      Recommendations on above is greatly appreciated...Thanks!
  82. jonathantneal
    Feb 27 20:50
    @sophieschoice, for a11y chat? I haven’t found them. I couldn’t find any until I found this room.
  83. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 20:51
    @jonathantneal no, for webdesign in general. Or usability :)
  84. zakim-robot
    Feb 27 20:52
    [kevinchao89] Re: overflow label. We've used more options as accessibility label
  85. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 22:18
    just found two Dutch mailinglists :D, about accessible Android and NVDA! #lifelonglearning
  86. sophieschoice
    Feb 27 22:19
    It seems accessibility is really getting some attention in NL/BE. Woohoo! A few years ago that was quite different.
  87. stevefaulkner
    Feb 27 23:13
    I prefer firehoses to silos
  88. stevefaulkner
    Feb 27 23:17
    👆in reference to having multiple channels. I already am subscribed to a million and 1 mailing lists, atomising a11y discussion via segregated channels is not my bag
  89. stevefaulkner
    Feb 27 23:19
    But that is just me, anyone can set up a gitter channel and it's available to anyone with a GitHub account to read/write and anybody to read
  90. jonathantneal
    Feb 27 23:50
    Thanks for this room, @stevefaulkner if you made it or had a part in its making.