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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 19th of March 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 00:16
    [bkardell] that's bananas jake
  2. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 00:59
    Can anybody give feedback on whether they prefer this: https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/headings/practices/aria-practices.html#alertdialog over the current formatting: https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#alertdialog
  3. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:01
    @MichielBijl I prefer the current; mostly because I can visually tell when I'm quickly scrolling from one to another
  4. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:02
    Between patterns you mean?
  5. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:02
    yes
  6. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:02
    Okay
  7. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:02
    What if it had headings like in HTML 5.1 spec?
  8. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:03
    'cause I can just steal that stylesheet :P
  9. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:04
    what headings exactly are you talking about
  10. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 01:04
    [cordelia] I actually prefer the first one!
  11. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:04
    The headings style used here: https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/document-metadata.html#document-metadata
  12. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:05
    So blue rectangle stuff
  13. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:05
    Or purple, whatever it is
  14. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:05
    when it comes to design, I trust @cordelia's opinion over my own
  15. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:06
    Thanks Cordelia
  16. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:06
    but I do also like the blurple headings
  17. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 01:06
    [cordelia] I prefer the rawgit version personally because I feel like the descriptions have more space to breath. I agree the table blocks make it really easy to tell sections apart in the current version, but I also find the tables harder to read because the text is all smushed in that second cell.
  18. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:06
    @garcialo, yeah me too, but interested in all opinions :)
  19. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:06
    Yeah, and I don't feel it's really tabular data.
  20. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:07
    Headings seem more fitting anyway.
  21. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:07
    @MichielBijl I definitely agree there
  22. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 01:07
    [cordelia] Yeah, those should be headings. Also it’s unclear to me why some of the first columns are grey and some of them are white?
  23. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:07
    It might be worth to look into Luis' point of them having to be more recognisable.
  24. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:07
    Hang one, need to get off the train and find a place to sit.
  25. garcialo @garcialo hangs one.
  26. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 01:08
    [cordelia] +1 —> I’d stick to headings + blocks of text below them, and make the headings more prominent. I like how the “Note” text stands out, so perhaps something similar with the blurple.
  27. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:09

    blurple

  28. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:09
    oh, of course it does that
  29. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 01:09
    [cordelia] Does what?
  30. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:09
    in gitter, it turned it into a headingish thing
  31. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 01:09
    [cordelia] Oh interesting.
  32. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 01:10
    [cordelia] Signing off for the weekend… See some of you at CSUN. Have fun with the blurple headings
  33. MichielBijl @MichielBijl hangs Luis
  34. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:24
    @Cordelia, are you at the tweetup?
  35. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:24
    We definitely need to turn those headings into something blurple
  36. MichielBijl @MichielBijl found the only chair in the entire airport that is next to a power outlet.
  37. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:25
    are you sure it's not an outlet sticker?
  38. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:26
    It just gave me a shock; so pretty sure
  39. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:27
    And I still have three beers
  40. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:27
    And just 7 hours left to wait
  41. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:27
    Should be fine
  42. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:27
    my flight leaves on Sunday morning 8:30 CDT
  43. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:28
    I'll arrive at around noon local on Sunday
  44. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:30
    We should grab a beer when you arrive
  45. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:31
    Unless you're one of those people that don't drink around noon of course.
  46. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:31
    I don't drink around noon
  47. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:31
    ...or any time really
  48. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:31
    well, I don't drink alcohol; I'll drink other stuff
  49. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:31
    Not even coffee?
  50. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:31
    no coffee
  51. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:31
    Ah, right
  52. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:31
    Tea?
  53. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:31
    usually just water
  54. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:32
    maybe root beer
  55. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:32
    shake
  56. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:32
    lemonade
  57. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:32
    usually not tea
  58. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:32
    We can get some shakes :)
  59. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:32
    I try and avoid caffeine
  60. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:32
    sure thing
  61. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:32
    Something with strawberry, pears, banana's maybe.
  62. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:33
    that would work
  63. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:33
    there's decent variety in the area
  64. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:33
    Good, would be nice to meet up regardless of type of beverage really :P
  65. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:34
    definitely
  66. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:34
    although, after that I'll likely be self-sequestered until I finish my talk
  67. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:35
    that's pretty much all I'm doing tonight/tomorrow
  68. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:35
    Fair enough
  69. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:35
    they decided to dump a bunch of work on me today
  70. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:35
    I have Monday to explore the area.
  71. garcialo
    Mar 19 01:35
    ah, I'm working Monday/Tuesday =p
  72. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:35
    And I think some folks are meeting up on Sunday to do drinks.
  73. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 01:35
    Workshop on Tuesday
  74. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 02:39
    [cordelia] @MichielBijl, are you going to the design workshop?
  75. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 02:39
    Yeap
  76. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 02:40
    [cordelia] Me too! And probably the tweetup later in the week
  77. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 02:40
    Nice!
  78. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 02:40
    I'm going to the Tweetup too :)
  79. simevidas
    Mar 19 04:39
    If I put some text (like "error") inside (the content of) the ::before pseudo-element of some list item, will be accessible?
  80. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:40
    no
  81. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:40
    It won't be read by assisstive technology
  82. simevidas
    Mar 19 04:42
    hm, in my instance, the ::before text is transformed into an icon (via icon font ligatures) - yea, crazy I know - so I'm not sure how to convey that information to AT
  83. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:42
    Use an svg image with an aria-label
  84. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:42
    that would work
  85. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:42
    what @MichielBijl said
  86. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:42
    Or just, you know, text, usually works =P
  87. simevidas
    Mar 19 04:42
    e.g. <li data-icon="error">Some item</li>
  88. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:42
    yeah, I was going to say use text
  89. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:43
    <li class="error">Error: Some item</li>
  90. simevidas
    Mar 19 04:43
    ok
  91. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:44
    Or if it's a list of error: <section><h2>Your page contains 11 errors</h2><ul><li>…</li></ul></section>
  92. simevidas
    Mar 19 04:44
    (wasn't sure how to combine the "error" with the other text; colon looks good)
  93. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:45
    Not saying it is the best way but the ::before content should be included in the accessible name calculation. Whether it will get read or not depends on how well the browser+AT conform to the specs.
  94. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:46
    VO supports it, just not caret navigation for example.
  95. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:46
    IIRC
  96. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:47
    FF does too. Probably won't work with IE due to it being ancient and essentially desupported.
  97. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:48
    I recalled correctly.
  98. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:49
    I am soooo gonna sleep on the plane.
  99. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:49
    hah
  100. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:49
    Just did about 4-5 hours of APG edits :P
  101. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:49
    If you are lucky.
  102. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:49
    Lucky how?
  103. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:50
    Sleep. I can't sleep on planes.
  104. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:50
    I can sleep during take off…
  105. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:50
    Lucky
  106. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:51
    Have a good flight and enjoy San Diego.
  107. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:51
    I'm still stuck here another 4 hours
  108. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:51
    But yeah, thanks :P
  109. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:51
    are you not going @jnurthen?
  110. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:52
    He is
  111. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:52
    I am but don't get there till Tuesday.
  112. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:52
    ah
  113. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:53
    Going to be chilly. Highs are only in the high 60s for most of the week. :(
  114. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:53
    That's pretty good
  115. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:54
    But I'm used to 3-6º C
  116. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:54
    ack, I'm going to need to dress warmly
  117. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:55
    Hmm, I have two beers left
  118. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:55
    Should I trash them or put them in my check-in luggage?
  119. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:55
    trash
  120. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:55
    Yeah that's what I figured.
  121. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:55
    Drink.
  122. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:55
    :)
  123. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:55
    heh
  124. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:56
    Prff
  125. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:56
    I don't feel like drinking
  126. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:56
    Find a random and donate.
  127. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:57
    I would if it was night time, but offering people beer at 6 in the morning isn't really my style :P
  128. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:58
    I'm sure you can find someone
  129. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:58
    make a sign
  130. jnurthen
    Mar 19 04:59
    Now if you were wearing the onesie it would be a different story.
  131. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 04:59
    True
  132. garcialo
    Mar 19 04:59
    go put it on and make a sign
  133. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 05:00
    You guys are confusing me :P
  134. jnurthen
    Mar 19 05:00
    At least put them on top of a trash can.
  135. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 05:00
    That's usually my girlfriends job
  136. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 05:00
    I'll put them next to the power outlet
  137. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 05:01
    Woohoo, secured a ticket to CSS Day in Amsterdam =D
  138. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 10:02
    [dean] Nice! Not a coder so it doesn’t seem that suitable for me, I wish there were more accessibility folks at (affordable) UX conferences though!
  139. sophieschoice
    Mar 19 11:35
    Wanna go to CSS Day as well, but it is a lot of money :(
  140. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 14:18
    [heydon] Okay, so it looks like Safari on OSX does not display alt text for broken images. Is this well known?
  141. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 14:30
    [karlgroves] si
  142. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 20:28
    [hmig] There’s a fix in for it :)
  143. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 20:28
    Oui
  144. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 20:28
    [hmig] @heydon:
  145. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 20:28
    For Safari?
  146. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 20:28
    [hmig] oops, nope … chrome
  147. zakim-robot
    Mar 19 20:29
    [hmig] damn, safari too?!
  148. jnurthen
    Mar 19 20:31
    At LAX?
  149. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 20:35
    Yeap :)
  150. MichielBijl
    Mar 19 20:35
    Waiting for customs
  151. stevefaulkner
    Mar 19 21:24
    @Heydon may be of interest https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2010/01/alt-and-title-content-display-in-popular-browsers/ needs updating though
  152. metzessible
    Mar 19 23:40
    I finally finished some initial videos covering how to take an unformatted Word file and turn it into an ISO 14289 (PDF/UA) compliant PDF: https://youtu.be/BeFt-Qa3mjM?list=PLmfVOnJxeSEXsEKv2i20nYMHYuFEcl4fO