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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 7th of April 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. jkva
    Apr 07 07:13
    Mornin slackers
  2. MichielBijl
    Apr 07 07:24
    Morning Job
  3. metzessible
    Apr 07 13:15
    yawwwn
  4. jkva
    Apr 07 13:16
    Reading that made me yawn involuntarily :P
  5. metzessible
    Apr 07 13:18
    My evil plan worked superbly. MWAHAHA
  6. cr2a-graphique
    Apr 07 14:05
    hi there
  7. cr2a-graphique
    Apr 07 14:07

    syntax question, who's the best : 

        <nav>         <ul>             <li><a href="#">link</li>             <li><a href="#">link</li>         </ul>     </nav>

    or 

        <nav role="navigation">         <ul>             <li><a href="#">link</li>             <li><a href="#">link</li>         </ul>     </nav>
  8. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:09
    [sylvia] I'd skip the role, as it the element already implies it
  9. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:09
    [sylvia] It's like <button role="button>
  10. cr2a-graphique
    Apr 07 14:10
    yeah thats what i think and that dont change anything on NVDA
    So nav alone are best than other
  11. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:12
    [sylvia] Yep. Per the HTML 5 specs (exciting reading, I know) <nav> has a native role of navigation (https://www.w3.org/TR/html5/dom.html#sec-strong-native-semantics)
  12. cr2a-graphique
    Apr 07 14:12
    thanks a lot
  13. MichielBijl
    Apr 07 14:16
    @cr2a-graphique depends on which browser/AT you want to support
  14. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:17
    [sylvia] Do you know which ones still require the redundant role?
  15. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:18
    [sylvia] <nav> alone works on the browsers/AT my company officially supports, but I know the number of combinations out there is virtually endless
  16. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:22
    [marcysutton] Older IE didn’t expose those roles I believe…you can always check html5accessibility.com
  17. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:38
    [sylvia] For that matter, newer IE is having some issues, but I think the edge team is on it
  18. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:38
    [sylvia] Thanks for the resource, though. Very useful!
  19. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:53
    [marcysutton] They are doing a kickass job with bugs in Edge lately!
  20. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:56
    [saltnburnem] Hey hey @marcysutton
  21. cr2a-graphique
    Apr 07 14:56
    @MichielBijl all curent and maintain
  22. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 14:57
    [marcysutton] Hi @saltnburnem!
  23. cr2a-graphique
    Apr 07 15:12

    do you think for active page link on navbar this : 

    ... <li><a aria-label="Accueil - page active" href="index.php">Accueil</a></li> ...

    are better than : 

    ... <li><a title="Accueil - page active" href="index.php">Accueil</a></li> ...
  24. cr2a-graphique
    Apr 07 15:13
    i think yes the voice render are more confortable :)
  25. cr2a-graphique
    Apr 07 15:20
    ouch 17h.21 everybody go home :)
  26. powrsurg
    Apr 07 15:22
    http://www.mediacurrent.com/blog/accessibility-toolbar?utm_source=The+Weekly+Drop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=The_Weekly_Drop_Issue_234_04_07_2016
  27. powrsurg
    Apr 07 15:22
    Something my boss just forwarded me for Drupal accessibility
  28. metzessible
    Apr 07 16:20
    I have a really confusing question. What is the underlying code of an .htm file referred to as, and how does one expose that markup? Like, I'm talking about a blank .htm document here. No markup, no content. Just the file format itself.
  29. jkva
    Apr 07 16:21
    Not sure I understand? It's whatever the OS / software understands it as
  30. jkva
    Apr 07 16:21
    Are we talking filesystem level?
  31. LjWatson
    Apr 07 16:21
    @metzessible if it has absolutely no markup at all (empty document), then it's a text file with a particular file extension. Nothing more.
  32. metzessible
    Apr 07 16:25
    Got it. @LjWatson, that's really helpful.
  33. powrsurg
    Apr 07 16:26
    HTML is a language, so if you viewed source then you would refer to it as HTML code
  34. jkva
    Apr 07 16:26 
    job ~ $ touch foo.htm job ~ $ file foo.htm foo.htm: empty job ~ $
  35. LjWatson
    Apr 07 16:28
    Only once you put html into the file would it become something to inspect... anything from the <html> onwards.
  36. metzessible
    Apr 07 16:48
    Got it. Thanks again.
  37. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 18:33
    [nadavspi] If I want to learn to use a screen reader for development/testing, does it matter which one I choose? (Mostly for my edification, not to replace testing by trained AT users.)
  38. MichielBijl
    Apr 07 18:57
    Not really, most of them use the same principle.
  39. MichielBijl
    Apr 07 18:57
    What OS are you on?
  40. jnurthen
    Apr 07 18:59
    @StommePoes you mentioned a hammer issue with pinch zoom. Do you recall if it was logged and if so - do you happen to have a referecnce?
  41. zakim-robot
    Apr 07 19:17
    [nadavspi] I’m on Mac OS, but I’ve been using JAWS within a VM.