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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 13th of April 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. jnurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 13 00:25
    one editor to move the bug and another to close the old issue ;)
  2. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 00:25
    That's called teamwork ;)
  3. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 00:27
    Time for bed, 2:27 here -.-
  4. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 07:21
    hi there, good morning :smile:
  5. halna_Tanaguru
    @fhalna
    Apr 13 07:25
    hello Mikael !
  6. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 08:30
    @powrsurg it would be nice if the images could grow and stay crisp, but that's just not possible.
  7. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 08:31
    unless there's already a higher-rez version of the image... most of the web has a single rez of any image
  8. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 08:32
    Hey can anyone find a news story from a few months ago (januari) where supposedly 11 Deaf people told an airline they were coming and were greeted with 11 wheelchairs? Since I can't find anything outside of reddit, I'm thinking it's fake, and maybe a response to Jet Blue pilot kicking off 11 Deaf people because "they didn't have a carer with them"
  9. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 08:39
    Can only find shitty, shitty image that doesn't prove anything, cannot find the actual story: http://i.imgur.com/oxYhuXJ.jpg
  10. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 08:39
    yup, that's the sole image I find anywhere
  11. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 08:39
    looks like someone made shit up
  12. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 08:39
    Possible
  13. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 08:51
    What's the preference here for mocking code? Codepen, JSbin?
  14. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 08:58
    Jsbin has better a11y
  15. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 08:58
    So I've heard
  16. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:05
    I still use CodePen, but have moved more and more to local files.
  17. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 09:06
    Yeah, will need to share with the team often, but could just do that on some dev box
  18. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 09:06
    Gotta see if codepen's features are worth it
  19. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:06
    Turns out, if you ditch sass in favour of normal CSS; local files work okay.
  20. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 09:07
    Yeah. Everyone uses sass here :-/ gonna see if we can use it only for variables and concatenation, but write vanilla selectors
  21. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:08
    Ah. Yeah, jsbin has a pro plan too. Not sure what is in it.
  22. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:08
    To be honest, I've never liked jsbin much. CodePen has community and stuff that is great.
  23. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:08
    Am just echoing re a11y :)
  24. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 09:08
    Yeah and Coyier is behind it
  25. halna_Tanaguru
    @fhalna
    Apr 13 09:09
    Hi all, do you know a accessible slack client ?
  26. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 09:09
    Using bridges is the only option for that currently, it seems
  27. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:11
    Their IRC bridge is pretty solid.
  28. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:12
    Isn't their iOS client supposed be sort of accessible?
  29. halna_Tanaguru
    @fhalna
    Apr 13 09:12
    Ok thank's i will test it !
  30. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:13
    Marco Zehe wrote an article about if that may interest you.
  31. halna_Tanaguru
    @fhalna
    Apr 13 09:14
    sure ! this one ? https://www.marcozehe.de/2016/01/16/status-of-the-accessibility-of-slack/
  32. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 09:18
    Hi @fhalna welcome on board :)
  33. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 09:18
    =)
  34. halna_Tanaguru
    @fhalna
    Apr 13 09:22
    hi @cr2a-graphique small #a11y world
  35. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:25
    @fhalna, yeap
  36. halna_Tanaguru
    @fhalna
    Apr 13 09:26
    thank's @MichielBijl
  37. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:29
    :+1:
  38. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 09:31
    @fhalna ya ya :)
  39. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 09:34
    Great song to work to - https://open.spotify.com/track/3p8GZk4Lcc02CJSSo9q1WV
  40. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:47
    Try http://heydonworks.com/a11y_rocks/ ;)
  41. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 09:52
    @jkva: this might be of interest: http://gameaccessibilityguidelines.com
  42. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 10:14
    Yeah, familiar with that one, thanks =)
  43. MichielBijl @MichielBijl is cleaning up bookmarks.
  44. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 10:15
    Moved back to Safari from Chrome
  45. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 10:15
    FInd your zen
  46. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 10:15
    Chrome made a mess of my bookmarks
  47. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 10:15
    Is del.icio.us still a thing?
  48. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 10:15
    And Chrome sucked the life out of my MacBook…
  49. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 10:15
    Don't know
  50. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 10:15
    I use iCloud bookmark sync thingy
  51. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 10:16
    http://delicious.com/ huh I guess so
  52. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 10:18
    Preparing to split aria-practices to its own repo: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/tree/gh-pages
  53. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 11:15
    I need a third screen and a drawing tablet
  54. Eric Eggert
    @yatil
    Apr 13 11:24
    Hi @fstorr, can you please file an issue on the quickref back button observation on the github repository: https://github.com/w3c/wai-wcag-quickref/issues/new – Please note the steps that are needed to recreate the issue and the browser + version you’re using. Thanks!
  55. Eric Eggert
    @yatil
    Apr 13 11:30
    @powrsurg @jnurthen I have recorded the aXe issues here – should be easy to fix: w3c/wai-wcag-quickref#125
  56. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 11:30
    @jkva, buy an iPad Pro and solve both in simple step ;)
  57. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 11:31
    Or microsoft surface book =)
  58. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 11:31
    Both are expensive :-/
  59. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 11:47
    Stumbled upon this while procrastinating: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arj7oStGLkU
  60. dothedesign
    @dothedesign
    Apr 13 13:12
    Hey guys, I realize this is a place for a11y, but there are amazing minds here so this will be my only non-usability question. Question: Angular 2.0, has anyone found good learning resources out there(Other than the Angular site)? I know 2.0 has some features which work well with ARIA and I would like to discuss that aspect once I have a better understanding. Help!
  61. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 13:12
    https://www.reddit.com/r/Angular2/
  62. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 13:12
    would be a good start
  63. dothedesign
    @dothedesign
    Apr 13 13:13
    Thanks Job, I will begin there :)
  64. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 13:14
    Aye. As long as you're aware of what changed from 1 to 2, you're already off to a good start
  65. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Apr 13 13:18
    @StommePoes (late reply) My question was in relation to ZoomText potentially being able to use a higher-rez image when responsive images are being used. It would make the image the user is viewing appear more crisp if it could.
  66. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:33
    There's no way for a browser to know someone is running zoomtext that I know of
  67. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:33
    Just as there's no way for a browser to know if I'm black or not
  68. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:33
    The browser would have to offer the higher-rez image
  69. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:34
    and yeah does anyone make high-rez images for 10x magnification? I really, really doubt it
  70. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:34
    I don't even go higher than 10x it's become my default when I use ZT
  71. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:35
    i hate moustache. I hate sass/scss/whatever the hell new thing they're calling it
  72. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:35
    it takes a simple thing and makes it so freaking complicated so you have to go hire experts to fix this crap
  73. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 13:35
    http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/044/247/297.png
  74. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:36
    the layers of files we have for something like a checkbox component is amazingly freaking huge, complex, complicated oh yeah and everyone contributing manages to mess it up because it's so freaking easy to mess up
  75. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 13:36
    alt=grandpa simpson yelling at a cloud. (In jest, of course)
  76. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:36
    suddenly, for no reason we can find, moustache renders the content of pages twice
  77. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:36
    WHY NOT 4 TIMES, MOUSTACHE?? WHY NOT 1000 TIMES???
  78. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:38
    I think my teams needs to hire based on what technology the dev knows, and not whether they know HTML or CSS, because honestly people who don't know it can't possibly break this stuff any further
  79. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 13:50
    Front end job interview questions should include: Do you know the <tt> element? Which of these is correct: :after or ::after
  80. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:51
    latter doesn't matter
  81. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:51
    we all use :after because we never stopped supporting old browsers
  82. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:51
    and it works everywhere
  83. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:51
    so it's become the oxford comma of css
  84. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 13:51
    Does matter. Latter is per spec.
  85. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:51
    eats, shoots and leaves
  86. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 13:51
    Spec lives matter!
  87. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:51
    spec needs to match the real world
  88. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:52
    or we'll just ignore it even more
  89. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 13:52
    IE fucking shit up again.
  90. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:52
    like, force browsers to make :after quit working
  91. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 13:52
    That be good.
  92. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Apr 13 13:52
    I think all interviews should include spec minutiae
  93. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 13:52
    Show all those jobbo's what's what
  94. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Apr 13 13:53
    So, Mr. President; what is your position on longdesc?
  95. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 13:53
    Pfff, longdesc, the US government is more likely to release the 508 refresh.
  96. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:53
    longdesc is hidden from users except those privileged behind a screen reader so kill it with fire or make it visible and usable for the rest of us. the end
  97. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:54
    team is starting to come into work
  98. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:54
    they're starting to see how horribly I may have screwed up our git repo
  99. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:54
    team manager: "o no"
  100. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 13:55
    Let's see how long before they boot me off
  101. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 14:05
    I heard JKVA Inc. is looking to expand.
  102. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 14:05
    Maybe you can get a job there.
  103. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 14:12
    no
  104. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 14:16
    Derek told me Simply Accessible is looking for people too :)
  105. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 14:16
    Freelance/contractor is fine.
  106. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 14:16
    Maybe interesting for jkva too?
  107. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:17
    Why yes, very
  108. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:24
    @MichielBijl where the job is locate ? for Simply Accessible ?
  109. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:25
    The company is in Canada
  110. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:25
    But I would expect it to be remote anyway
  111. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:25
    ok nice, thanks @jkva
  112. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:25
    Cheers
  113. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:26
    you work for them ? @jkva
  114. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:26
    Haha, I wish
  115. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:27
    :)
  116. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:27
    its a good place to work (SimplyAccess)?
  117. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:27
    @cr2a-graphique http://simplyaccessible.com/contact/?subject=hiring =)
  118. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:28
    @cr2a-graphique I've gotten the impression they're a cool bunch, but I would ask people who work(ed) there ;)
  119. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:29
    @cr2a-graphique https://twitter.com/feather/status/717434154468528128
  120. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:30
    :)
  121. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:34
    hihi, i post on that twitt, just for fun :)
  122. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:34
    Good luck =)
  123. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:35
    Better Good luck to you, i post only to introduce me :)
  124. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:37
    I don't think my a11y chops are up there yet, but maybe in a couple of months =)
  125. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:39
    you don't have a job ? you just learn A11y ?
  126. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:40
    I'm a freelance backend developer who keeps ending up doing frontend ;) gotten into a11y recently but lots to learn still
  127. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 14:42
    ok man, nice to meet you ^^
  128. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:42
    Haha, you too Mikael :+1:
  129. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 14:54
    http://www.planningforaliens.com/blog/2016/04/11/why-js-development-is-crazy/ cc @StommePoes
  130. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 15:37
    see you tomorow
  131. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 15:37
    good end day
  132. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 15:37
    Au revoir!
  133. mikaelR
    @cr2a-graphique
    Apr 13 15:37
    au revoir :)
  134. Adrian Roselli
    @aardrian
    Apr 13 16:51
    Hey hey…
  135. Adrian Roselli
    @aardrian
    Apr 13 16:51
    Does anyone here have any experience with mobile apps and a11y?
  136. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 16:59
    Paul Adam did a whole workshop about it at CSUN16
  137. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 13 16:59
    Anything specific?
  138. Adrian Roselli
    @aardrian
    Apr 13 17:50
    Sorry, got pulled into a meeting.
  139. Adrian Roselli
    @aardrian
    Apr 13 17:50
    Just banging my head on 4 WCAG checkpoints and the best way to satisfy them on mobile.
  140. Adrian Roselli
    @aardrian
    Apr 13 17:51
    Was hoping someone could point me to a document that has maybe explored some WCAG/mobile mapping.
  141. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 18:28
    Hmm, no, I've done some testing, but don't have a document for that.
  142. Adrian Roselli
    @aardrian
    Apr 13 19:07
    Michiel, how are your mobile a11y chops? As in, have you done much?
  143. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Apr 13 20:36
    michiel wraps a dinosaur onesie around the mobile in quesstion and then it's all stars
  144. Adrian Roselli
    @aardrian
    Apr 13 20:47
    Seems legit.
  145. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 21:04
    What StommePoes said
  146. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 21:10
    @aardian: all in all, I think there are more qualified people out there.
  147. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 21:11
    I just start up VO and mess about.
  148. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 13 21:11
    You can check some of that messing about on YouTube here: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCM5PztMwb4Hity4vZk50FoQ/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0