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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 22nd of June 2017

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 00:00
    [karlgroves] Basically. There's some functional performance stuff in there, but IMO the most important part is WCAG
  2. [michiel] Cool cool, thanks Karl :raised_hands::skin-tone-6:.
  3. [yang] Thanks to both of you guys! What's your suggestion on preparing the VPAT for Section 508? Would you guys do it yourself or hire a third-party expert to do it?
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 00:05
    [michiel] Third party expert if you ask me.
  5. [yang] Any good one to recommend? Preferably based in the bay area.
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 00:12
    [michiel] They’re not based in the bay area, but TPG does some amazing work: https://www.paciellogroup.com
  7. [michiel] I might be a bit biased tho.
  8. [yang] Haha thanks let me check it out.
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 00:28
    [melsumner] my birthday is coming up, and Facebook is encouraging to "celebrate my special day by donating to a cause I care about". Has anyone done this yet? Are there any worth A11y causes?
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 00:39
    [backwardok] @tyronem @johnbhartley for clarity - you can visually disable a link, but links can’t be technically disabled without javascript blocking click behavior. it’s not the same as buttons, which have a disabled attribute that won’t allow click events when disabled.
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 04:53
    [garcialo] @yang The only a11y consulting company i know based in the Bay Area is SSB Bart
  12. [garcialo] And unbiasedly, they all do great work. ;)
  13. [garcialo] And by all i mean TPG, SSB Bart, Deque, Simply Accessible, and similar ones well represented in here.
  14. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 12:30
    [car] @karlgroves might have another unbiased suggestion. ;)
  15. [karlgroves] :)
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 14:48
    [artistic_abode] Do you provide fallback content for iframes? Is this still helpful or can it cause problems? It appears to not validate in html5.
  17. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 16:45
    [yang] Hey guys thank you very much. I will look into this, thanks for the info @garcialo
  18. [kpk] hey folks. I have a question about screenreaders and ajax navigation.
  19. [kpk] Some of our pages swap parts of the page. When using a screenreader, the user will be unaware the page has changed, and the focus will remain on the navigation item. Sometimes the navigation itself is replace, and focus will return to the top of the whole section that was replaced. So, two questions: 1) is there a standard way to say "some page content has finished loading over there" without just reading it all out , and 2) is there a standard way to return focus to the navigation when the navigation is changed out?
  20. [kpk] Sorry if that's an overly complex question. It seems like a common use-case though.
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 17:03
    [justinph] @kpk aria-live is the way to tell screen readers about content that has changed. you have to decide if you want to use alert, atomic, etc.
  22. [justinph] 2) you’d have to manage the focus yourself with js
  23. [kpk] so would it be acceptable to use an aria-live region to announce that page content has changed? ie, that more content is available to be tabbed to now?
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 17:19
    [deconspray] Just gotta share...
    https://twitter.com/A11YChi/status/877883922889285632
  25. [ghanek] Has anyone found a way to grab a screen capture of the VoiceOver rotor? We're hoping to include same in some reports, and currently are just taking a smartphone photo of the rotor. Is there a better way? :question:
  26. [alexlande] @ghanek in the past I've recorded my screen with quicktime and then used a frame from the video
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 17:25
    [tink] I use Camtasia to capture screencasts + screen reader output.
  28. [tink] That's desktop though, sorry, didn't spot you'd mention smart phone.
  29. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 17:35
    [ghanek] Oh, we'd be quite chuffed to do it with desktop. We're currently unable to do this using Snagit for Mac, directly, but the Quicktime screen recording and screen cap that seems to work. Clunky, but bears desired fruit. :pear:
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 18:47
    [johnbhartley] if you're just looking for one frame you could hit Cmd+shift+4 then click+drag the area you want to screencap
  31. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 18:59
    [geekf] @kpk aria-live would read out the complete content that has been inserted and you should use it only if the content size is small. Classical use case would be a news ticker.
  32. [geekf] If the content loaded is significantly large I think a better idea would be to have only the description of the change with aria-live attribute. That way user gets the announcement without getting overwhelmed by the changes.
  33. [allenski] @deconspray In some places of Russia: https://stillagrrrl.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/ramp-4.jpg
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 19:05
    [cehfisher] that looks like the world’s worst rollercoaster @allenski
  35. [allenski] @cehfisher yep, saw it with my own eyes, goes further around a corner and a down a few more steps
  36. [allenski] couldnt imagine how people actually use this :|
  37. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 19:28
    [deconspray] @allenski Holy Cow! Epic!
  38. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 19:51
    [conley] That must be impossible to climb :\
  39. [ghanek] / inserts gif of Hobbit minecar ride
  40. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 21:13
    [kpk] @geekf thx
  41. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 22 21:43
    [marcysutton] Hi new folks from Fluent Conf! :wave: