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Gitter Channel Archive 17th of July 2015

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. stevefaulkner
    09:23
    A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 16th of July 2015
  2. alice
    09:45
    [Steve Faulkner, a11y] testing
  3. alice
    09:58
    [Steve Faulkner, a11y] hey @Alice Boxhall can you reroute the pipe to https://gitter.im/w3c/a11ypipe ?
  4. stevefaulkner
    11:44
    article about this here place Anybody can be an A11y Slacker
  5. garcialo
    12:02
    Be nice? How many of us does that automatically disqualify?
  6. stevefaulkner
    12:04
    @garcialo me for starters
  7. garcialo
    12:06
    @stevefaulkner Probably everyone but @alice
  8. stevefaulkner
    12:07
    ;-)
  9. LjWatson
    12:35
    Does anyone have any thoughts about the fact the <figcaption> provides the accessible name for <figure>?
  10. LjWatson
    12:35
    It seems that in real-world implementations, this isn't a good thing.
  11. stevefaulkner
    12:54
    @LjWatson that mapping is down to me, will explain further when my pic reboots
  12. stevefaulkner
    12:57
    @LjWatson some background www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2011/08/html5-accessibility-chops-the-figure-and-figcaption-elements
  13. stevefaulkner
    13:06
    @LjWatson it is the way it is because nobody came up with a better idea at the time, I wanted to get the <figcaption> exposed with a role=caption but as only IA2 has a caption role needed to get an ARIA role added, that was nixed. But you can always file a bug on the html mapping spec to re-open discussion
  14. LjWatson
    13:21
    Thanks @stevefaulkner
  15. LjWatson
    13:22
    Was thinking about filing a bug, but wanted to get some thoughts from other people first. Having the content of the figcaption announced when a s/reader encounters the figure, then again when it encounters the figcaption itself, and possibly (depending on AT implementation) when exiting the figure, gets a bit much in practice it turns out.
  16. MichielBijl
    13:24
    @stevefaulkner what would happen if you'd apply an alt text and provide a figcaption.
  17. MichielBijl
    13:24
    Or if the figure is a piece of text.
  18. MichielBijl
    13:24
    I should probably read the article and spec first.
  19. MichielBijl
    13:25
    I'll do that first, just ignore me.
  20. stevefaulkner
    13:26
    @LjWatson yeah I can understand, issue being that without an acc name the group doesn't get announced and the caption is not exposed as anything special = figure/figcaption have no acc semantics
  21. stevefaulkner
    13:26
    I should probably read the article and spec first.
    good idea :+1:
  22. stevefaulkner
    13:36
    @TheBillyGregory :clap:
  23. stevefaulkner
    14:14
    How to do subtitles well – basics and good practices - for video games via @patrickhlauke
  24. stevefaulkner
    16:12
    Sina is asking about accessibility icons https://twitter.com/SinaBahram/status/622049470474264576
  25. pfulton
    16:22
    Hi again, folks. I have a question about possible redundancy with markup and ARIA roles. If I am marking up a search field in the masthead of my site, and I am using standard HTML (label, input), is assigning the ARIA role of search to the associated form element redundant?
  26. pfulton
    16:22
    example:
    https://gist.github.com/pfulton/9329b86b780e6164f37d
  27. pfulton
    16:24

    Sorry. Placed the role on the incorrect element there. Updated now:

    <form role="search">
    <label for="search">Search
    <input id="search" type="search" name="search" placeholder="Search" />
    <input type="submit" value="Submit" />
    </label>
    </form>

  28. stevefaulkner
    16:24
    @pfulton in theory no as the role=search is acting as a landmark, but in practice it may be too much 'search' @LjWatson may have a view on it.
  29. pfulton
    16:25
    Ok. Thanks, Steve.
  30. pfulton
    16:25
    We got into a bit of an internal debate about this at work yesterday :-)
  31. stevefaulkner
    16:30
    this shirt should definitely come back https://cottonbureau.com/products/a11y
  32. pfulton
    16:32
    We're right down the street from Cotton Bureau. Perhaps I can poke them about that!
  33. stevefaulkner
    16:53
    :+1:
  34. stevefaulkner
    17:01
    WebAIM Thread: Bypass Blocks for Keyboard users to 'skip link' or not?
  35. alice
    17:17
    [Steve Faulkner, a11y] test
  36. alice
    17:19
    [Steve Faulkner, a11y] confuzled by these pipe things
  37. rodneyrehm
    17:23
    https://twitter.com/scottjehl/status/621805125909262336
  38. rodneyrehm
    17:24
    (good thing only Presto had the nav-* properties of CSS UI Level 3)
  39. alice
    17:37
    [Alice Boxhall, a11y] @steve this (slack) room is now connected to two gitter rooms
  40. LjWatson
    18:24
    @pfulton @stevefaulkner Personally I like the presence of role="search". Wouldn't put it on <form> though since it overrides the native semantics. Not a real problem in this specific instance, but in the interests of general good practice...
  41. alice
    20:50
    [MichielBijl] Any progress on the pipe?
  42. MichielBijl
    20:50
    lol, I guess it sort of works? But I typed that in the w3c/a11ypipe room :/
  43. alice
    20:51
    [MichielBijl] This is getting out of hand.
  44. garcialo
    21:39
    This is the nightmare Sen. Stevens warned us about
  45. MichielBijl
    00:47
    Just to repost @alice's question: Can anyone think of a good example of using tabindex=0 which doesn't involve recreating functionality from a native HTML element (like good old button)?