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Gitter Channel Archive 19th of July 2015

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. alice
    Jul 19 01:37
    @stevefaulkner deleted all my tubes
  2. MichielBijl
    Jul 19 01:40
    Nice :)
  3. MichielBijl
    Jul 19 01:40
    So how does this work on this end?
  4. stevefaulkner
    Jul 19 07:18
    @alice :+1:
  5. stevefaulkner
    Jul 19 07:26
    opening tube now between a11yslack and a11yslackers
  6. zakim-robot
    Jul 19 07:28
    [a11y-a11y, a11y] tube checking
  7. stevefaulkner
    Jul 19 07:29
    @a11y-a11y works one way
  8. zakim-robot
    Jul 19 07:30
    [a11y-a11y, a11y] how about other?
  9. zakim-robot
    Jul 19 07:30
    [a11y-a11y, a11y] how about other?
  10. zakim-robot
    Jul 19 07:32
    [Steve Faulkner, a11y] @Alice Boxhall OK tube appears to be working, will leave on and see if it is useful/annoying if it sucks anyone please speak up and can turn off
  11. stevefaulkner
    Jul 19 07:56
    Low vision needs thread WAI list is well worth a read
  12. stevefaulkner
    09:59
    @MichielBijl re HTML5 elements that map to ARIA landmarks: "Probably the most important rule for applying landmarks is to ensure all content resides in a landmark region to ensure no content is orphaned." - Rich Schwerdtfeger (Godfather of ARIA) 😀 www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2013/02/using-wai-aria-landmarks-2013#comment-1298
  13. zakim-robot
    10:35
    [a11y-a11y, a11y] @Michiel Bijl: link for quote above http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2013/02/using-wai-aria-landmarks-2013#comment-1298
  14. zakim-robot
    14:06
    [Ben Brignell, a11y] @Michael Lockrey: thanks
  15. MichielBijl
    14:08
    @stevefaulkner: sorry I don't follow, what is that a reply to?
  16. MichielBijl
    14:08
    I still have trouble remembering stuff, sorry.
  17. stevefaulkner
    14:11
    @MichielBijl it was a side comment on your questions about your markup in a11yslack :-)
  18. MichielBijl
    14:11
    Ah! Thank you.
  19. MichielBijl
    14:16
    I'm still undecided. My interpretation of complementary and contentinfo is that what I have in mind could use either of them. I also noticed TPG uses a <div> in the <main> for this sort of stuff.
  20. stevefaulkner
    14:20
    @MichielBijl ask @patrickhlauke about that, he is the TPG web site thoughtleader ;-)
  21. MichielBijl
    14:21
    Okay, thanks :)
  22. stevefaulkner
    14:23
    @MichielBijl In general don't sweat the use too much, but remember inside <article> and <section>, <header> and <footer> lose their landmark semantics (by design) and <section> is only exposed as a region (landmark) when it has an accessible name.
  23. MichielBijl
    14:28
    My guess as to why TPG doesn't use an <aside> is that the sidebar already uses that role, but I could be wrong. +@patrickhlauke
  24. MichielBijl
    14:31
    Re that quote by Rich: so far so good in my project :)
  25. MichielBijl
    14:35
    @stevefaulkner: is there a list of landmark roles—that you know of—that VoiceOver supports? If I use the webrotor in VO on the TPG website, it just lists the search landmark :/
  26. garcialo
    14:39
    @MichielBijl It looks like there are a couple of resources that compare the landmarks with their support, not sure how up-to-date they are.
  27. garcialo
    14:39
    Just searched for "aria landmarks voiceover"
  28. MichielBijl
    14:40
    Weird thing is that the html5a11y test page does list all landmarks in the webrotor: http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/roles-land.html
  29. MichielBijl
    14:40
    Maybe it's an indexing issue (slow indexing?)
  30. MichielBijl
    14:42
    Yep, that is it.
  31. MichielBijl
    14:42
    Apparently VO still needs explicit role attributes…
  32. stevefaulkner
    14:42
    @MichielBijl i filed a webkit/VO bug last week as the support is flaky, but unclear why some are included and others not
  33. MichielBijl
    14:44
    This one right? https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=146930
  34. stevefaulkner
    14:47
    @MichielBijl yup
  35. MichielBijl
    14:50
    Okay now I'm even more confused. This page1 has no explicit role attributes, but does list every landmark except contentinfo in the landmarks rotor; so does my page need explicit roles?! 1 http://www.html5accessibility.com/tests/structure.html
  36. stevefaulkner
    15:03
    @MichielBijl my confusion stems from the fact that VO has no access to DOM and for example <main> and <div role="main"> are represented the same in the acc tree, there is nothing to tell them apart.
  37. MichielBijl
    15:04
    That is weird.
  38. stevefaulkner
    15:27
    Filed some bug on the gitter iOS app gitterHQ/gitter#780
  39. MichielBijl
    15:28
    Haha, just realised the Gitter logo is a guy waving :')
  40. MichielBijl
    16:24
    After analysing some websites/blogs I've decided for the <aside> approach; I don't have a sidebar, and most websites put information like this in a sidebar for the website (every page). Might be overthinking this, so if no one thinks I'm doing it wrong, please do tell, but for now I'll let it go and just use the <aside>.
  41. MichielBijl
    16:24
    decided to go for*
  42. MichielBijl
    16:34
    @alice: I thought of one more reason to add tabindex=0: http://codepen.io/Michiel/pen/nuelx
  43. MichielBijl
    16:35
    Single element tooltips, plays nice with VO.
  44. aardrian
    16:44
    @MichielBijl Trying to parse thread here on using <aside>. I use it with role=complementary as sidebar on my blog. I use <footer role=contentinfo> as page footer. Since only one contentinfo role allowed I am more cautious (I use <footer> a lot elsewhere in content).
  45. MichielBijl
    16:47
    My main issue with contentinfo is that I don't want to change the website chrome between pages too much. And since I only want this information on article detail pages, I'll follow your way.
  46. zakim-robot
    16:53
    [Alice Boxhall, a11y] @MichielBijl Nice one, thanks!
  47. aardrian
    16:55
    Yeah, not my way. Just borrowed from the hive mind.
  48. stevefaulkner
    18:57

    A11ySlackers Archive 18th of July 2015 http://w3c.github.io/a11ySlackers/archives/180715.html

  49. zakim-robot
    19:20
    [Marcy Sutton, a11y] Nice, getting an export set up? What’s the bot situation–are you posting messages from another place and pushing them to Slack?
  50. zakim-robot
    19:21
    [Marcy Sutton, a11y] I think if your bot user had the same photo, it would look more like regular conversation than visual noise
  51. MichielBijl
    19:25
    There is a tunnel between the Gitter a11ySlackers room and #general on Slack. I agree with the picture. Over on Gitter it's even worse. It is an experiment as far as I know.
  52. MichielBijl
    19:27
    Any complaints can be sent to @stevefaulkner ;)
  53. zakim-robot
    19:38

    Any complaints can be sent to @stevefaulkner ;)

    Also bouquets, money, good vibes can be sent my way

  54. aardrian
    19:47
    Wow, @stevefaulkner, that's a mighty big link (like 300% text size). Seems like compensation.
  55. zakim-robot
    19:48
    @aardrian dunno why it came out like that
  56. aardrian
    19:49
    So when I see a message starting with [Marcy Sutton, a11y], does that mean it's coming from the Slack channel?
  57. aardrian
    19:50
    If so, is @zakim-robot doing that? And what if there is no [person] prefixing the post?
  58. zakim-robot
    19:51
    @aardrian zakim says YES
  59. MichielBijl @MichielBijl sends some good vibes to @stevefaulkner
  60. zakim-robot
    20:54
    [zakim robot, a11y] @Michiel Bijl: :heavy_check_mark:
  61. zakim-robot
    20:56
    @Michel :+1:
  62. MichielBijl
    20:58
    :D
  63. MichielBijl @MichielBijl goes back to his course Danish
  64. zakim-robot
    00:02
    [Marcy Sutton, a11y] Ok….not sure why bots are double posting now. Can we run experiments in certain channels instead of #general?
  65. zakim-robot
    00:03
    [Karl Groves, a11y] +1 to not using #general for testing
  66. zakim-robot
    00:03
    [Alice Boxhall, a11y] We did run experiments in other channels. What double posting are you seeing?
  67. MichielBijl
    00:04
    There was double posting at the start, not seeing any now.
  68. zakim-robot
    00:34
    [Ben Brignell, a11y] Seems fine now
  69. zakim-robot
    00:44
    [som, a11y] Hi, i posted on this last week - still keen for any feedback regarding a basic modal window test I put together
    .. basically questioning the W3C recommendation to trap focus in modal windows. Interested if the posted solution passes the sniff test.
    http://s.codepen.io/theprojectsomething/debug/mJKOKp?