A11y Slacker archive 04/08/15

zakim-robot

Aug 04 01:00

[Marcy Sutton, a11y] I personally use Slack because I have a bunch of other accounts, and I can switch between them in the desktop app.
zakim-robot

Aug 04 01:08

[Alice Boxhall, a11y] I use Slack because of all the channels we have here
zakim-robot

Aug 04 01:09

[Alice Boxhall, a11y] only #general is piped through to Gitter
zakim-robot

Aug 04 01:09

[Alice Boxhall, a11y] (afaik)
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 02:53

I’ve so far not had need to use Slack for anything. Not sure how I’ve avoided it, but I guess it’s just that no communities I participate in actively are using it so far.
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 02:57

so #whatwg is still my main place to chat with the people I work most closely with, and my W3C collaborators are mostly still using IRC (e.g., the #testing channel on irc.w3.org) and then #webkit and #blink on Freenode and #developers and #servo on irc.mozilla.org for getting in touch with browser devs there when needed (the ones who aren’t on #whatwg)
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 02:57

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sideshowbarker

Aug 04 02:58

ah, starting a line with # here, probably don’t wanna do that
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 02:59

@sideshowbarker yeah took me a while to work that out :-)
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:00

@alice yes only #general
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:01

[Marcy Sutton, a11y] It adds a bit of noise…but it allows the conversations to be archived outside of Slack, and also allows people to use alternative (or more accessible) interfaces

Do the Terms of Service for Slack actually prohibit archiving outside of Slack?
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:01

@stevefaulkner maybe you know the answer to that
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:02

I mean, otherwise the lack of non-public archives by default doesn’t seem to me such a major deficiency, as long as you can set up a public archive somewhere yourself so that you can link into and all
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:03

@sideshowbarker dunno, but the setup of slack makes it more opaque to non plugged in people as I talked about in http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/07/anybody-can-be-an-a11y-slacker/
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:04

Sure, I understand that. That’s a separate thing
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:04

Use of gitter also taps into a different user group
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:04

and I’m not advocating for Slack to the exclusion of anything else
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:04

bingo
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:04

yeah
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:05

I think it’s great that we an have multiple services mirrored back and forth the way y’all have this set up
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:06

that’s something pretty neat and shouldn’t be taken for granted
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:06

bravo @stevefaulkner for having gotten the ball rolling on that originally
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:07

I haven't looked at terms of service or slack APIs as the archiveness factor was predicated in terms of w3c groups usage of gitter as a tool
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:07

OK
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:07

but in comparing the various systems, to be clear, IRC doesn't have any archiving at all anywhere by default
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:08

instead you have to have set up 3rd-party archives like Krijn did at http://krijnhoetmer.nl/irc-logs/
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:08

right
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:08

hmm but for this channel it's moot anyway
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:09

because we do have archives for the Slack discussions
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:09

because they're the same as the discussions here
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:09

right
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:10

so yeah if it’s a violation of the Slack ToS I guess we’re already violating it
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:10

JFDI
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:10

amen to that
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:11

TCB
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:11

given that slack has API to allow piping be surprised if it was an issue
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:12

yeah
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:12

@marcysutton slack to gitter links are linkified
sideshowbarker

Aug 04 03:13
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:13

:+1:
stevefaulkner

Aug 04 03:16

but yeah, the ability to link people across disparate input channels with minimal downside is cool
rodneyrehm

08:21

@stevefaulkner no, it’s not too late to start commenting on the focus opus :) (thank you!)
stevefaulkner

08:44

@rodneyrehm :+1:
rodneyrehm

08:45

And please don’t hold back. honest and direct feedback may hurt feelings, but since I don’t have any, we’re all good :)
stevefaulkner

09:00

A11ySlackers chat log 3rd of August 2015 - http://w3c.github.io/a11ySlackers/archives/030815.html
schalkneethling

09:02

Howdy all
schalkneethling

09:03

I was wondering. Can someone here suggest a tool for testing color contrast locally? I know about the online tools but, they are not useful when testing something on a local machine or, when the demo server is behind a firewall.
StommePoes

09:04

There are browser plugins...
schalkneethling

09:04

I have used, and still do us, Sim Daltonism but, it is not exactly what I am looking for here
StommePoes

09:05

Though I haven't found one that didn't make my browser slow and janky and were a pain to test with
schalkneethling

09:05

@StommePoes which is one of the better one's ?
schalkneethling

09:06

Gez Lemon used to have an a11y toolbar for Firefox but, seems that is no longer under development
zakim-robot

09:06

[Henny Swan, a11y] @schalkneethling You can try the Color Contrast Analyser http://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2008/12/color-contrast-analyzer-22-updated-contrast-ratio/
StommePoes

09:06

I had a simulator (which means you-with-good-eyeballs needs to make a judgement call) called colourblinding https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/colorblinding/dgbgleaofjainknadoffbjkclicbbgaa which has a lot of different variants.
StommePoes

09:06

oh woops
StommePoes

09:06

I'm misreading this
StommePoes

09:06

about contrast, not colourblindness
schalkneethling

09:07

yes contrast ;) for color blindness sim daltonism works great
StommePoes

09:07

There's one by University of North carolina but it's the slowest thing evar, not very useful for me and crashes my browser.
schalkneethling

09:07

:(
StommePoes

09:07

So I manually use Lea Verou's thing on github :)
schalkneethling

09:07

hmmm, right. Let me have a look at that one
schalkneethling

09:09

the wcag contrast checker for Firefox seems pretty decent so far
StommePoes

09:10

the one thing the north carolina one is definitely useful for, if you only let it check a tiny chunk of the page, is text over images. (chrome only: http://accessibility.oit.ncsu.edu/tools/color-contrast-chrome/)
StommePoes

09:11

but don't ever let it check an entire page
schalkneethling

09:11

Will have a look, thanks @StommePoes
stevefaulkner

09:22

@schalkneethling http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/contrastanalyser/ has mac/windows versions, one adavnatage is that you can check colours on images, apps etc
schalkneethling

09:23

neat, having a look. Thanks @stevefaulkner
StommePoes

09:24

@steve nice
schalkneethling

09:25

So, basically I need to feed it he foreground and background and it will then tell me go or no go, correct
schalkneethling

09:26

Oh man, this is super!!
stevefaulkner

09:26

it has eye droppers
schalkneethling

09:26

love the color picker
stevefaulkner

09:26

or you can put in manually
schalkneethling

09:26

really, really awesome. Thanks @stevefaulkner
stevefaulkner

09:27

also note it has some simulation fetaures under image menu, they are not well documented (actually not documented at all), but should be easy to work out
stevefaulkner

09:27

the simulation features are windows only
schalkneethling

09:28

will have a go. Blog post time :)
stevefaulkner

09:28

if you want to write documentation would be :clap: :clap:
stevefaulkner

09:29

CCA is open source https://github.com/ThePacielloGroup/CCA
schalkneethling

09:29

yeah, sure thing.
schalkneethling

09:29

w00t
stevefaulkner

09:31

CCA is 10 years old this year, been meaning to write about it...
schalkneethling

09:31

well, happy birthday :birthday:
stevefaulkner

09:32

Started working on it when I was at vision australia (or rather my collaborator mastermind Jun started work on it, I just ask him to build features)
StommePoes

09:32

partner in crime
stevefaulkner

09:33

@StommePoes recent pic of him http://listverse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/rsz_1yakuza4n-5-web.jpg
stevefaulkner

09:34

Yakuza
RickSBrown

09:41

FYI over in Slack land this conversation ends with: https://web-a11y.slack.com/archives/general/p1438676890003011
zakim-robot

09:41

[Rick Brown, a11y] Same-o-maticBOT [6:28 PM]
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RickSBrown

09:42

Same-o-maticBOT [6:28 PM]
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RickSBrown

09:42

oops
RickSBrown

09:42

i posted that in wrong place
StommePoes

09:44

https://slack.com/jobs/78917/accessibility-product-manager-san-francisco they's lookin
stevefaulkner

09:46

@RickSBrown wasn't aware of the tube to a11ydev-tools
stevefaulkner

09:48

@sideshowbarker so @slackhq do have archives e.g. https://web-a11y.slack.com/archives/general/p1438676890003011 but you need to sign in to access, maybe that's configurable, but don't have admin rights so can't check
RickSBrown

09:48

yeah it just started sometime today
RickSBrown

09:49

Same-o-maticBOT [6:04 PM]
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RickSBrown

09:49

https://sameroom.io/maps/eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJleHAiOjE0Mzg3NjE2MDAsInJvb21faWQiOjE2MzcwMiwiaWRlbnRpdHlfaWQiOjI3MzcxfQ.OJExnMaYBIbx3Fy-o9pZ2obrIBwHshnlI-PMNNLZAm8
stevefaulkner

09:51

@RickSBrown maybe better to connect to https://gitter.im/w3c/a11y-devtools which i just created?
RickSBrown

09:53

@stevefaulkner that makes sense :)
StommePoes

10:11

just asked to add Yet Another Slider (carousel) on a site that's "supposed" to work well on mobile. That's like 3 or 4 sliders on a single page.
StommePoes

10:11

I'm waiting for them to start complaining that the pages are slow
MichielBijl

10:32

@StommePoes: add some more fonts
StommePoes

10:33

what, 9 aren't enough?
MichielBijl

10:33

Meh, make it 12, at least!
StommePoes

10:33

the designer also wanted some animated SVGs but luckily nobody here knows jack about SVG
MichielBijl

10:33

Maybe link to some 500mb PDF that will automatically download upon load
rodneyrehm

10:55

did I do something stupid or is firefox (suddenly?) considering <section> a keyboard focusable element?
MichielBijl

11:01

rodneyrehm: you mean it's in the tab order?
rodneyrehm

11:01

ah, never mind, it’s not the section, it’s the fact that it is scrollable
MichielBijl

11:01

Ah
StommePoes

11:01

ah, yeah that is a ff thing
rodneyrehm

11:01

yes, in the document’s sequential focus navigation order
StommePoes

11:01

and frankly, they can please add that to other browsers thx
rodneyrehm

11:02

something IS weird here, though, because scrollable containers are only focusable, not keyboard focusable
StommePoes

11:02

they ought to be keyboard focusable, it's something I've done on some pages in FF is scroll them
StommePoes

11:02

now I have to check
rodneyrehm

11:02

ah, wait, that’s IE. firefox did not show any sign of that until 42
rodneyrehm

11:03

(maybe my test is flawed…)
StommePoes

11:03

yeah I remember the discussion on bugzilla, only reason I know why scrolly things were focusable, it was for keyboarders
StommePoes

11:03

http://www.3playmedia.com/2015/05/01/jw-players-approach-to-video-player-accessibility/ for those who were still poking around about media players
rodneyrehm

11:07

ok, my test does not identify the scrollable thing to be focusable in firefox
rodneyrehm

11:09

that’s because I’m an inidot
rodneyrehm

11:10

interesting enough it seems to be keyboard-focusable only. container does not get focus by mouse
StommePoes

11:15

hm, most overflow containers, if you click on them and have a mouse wheel, moving the wheel scrolls within the overflow box.
StommePoes

11:15

dunno if that counts as focus but to get out with the mouse you've got to click another part of the page
rodneyrehm

11:16

focus is when the element is activeElement
rodneyrehm

11:16

and no, hovering the scrollable container does not count as focus
rodneyrehm

11:17

on mac the application doesn’t even have to have focus. simply hovering any window and scrolling works just fine
StommePoes

11:17

I can't afford a mac, prolly never will. I'm not talking about hovering over an overflow container, I'm talking after you click in it. Then if you have a mouse wheel, scrolling it stays within the container until you click somewhere outside it.
StommePoes

11:18

hovering seems to work on my applications, but I've not done it on a web page
StommePoes

11:19

seems to work in chrome, the hovering thing. I've never done that before.
StommePoes @StommePoes learned a new mouse trick\
zakim-robot

11:26

[Katy Moe, a11y] Is this room supposed to be duplicating the bot traffic from @general ? I can’t work out what’s going on
stevefaulkner

11:34

@RickSBrown can you turn off your pipe as its causing issues in https://web-a11y.slack.com/messages/a11y-devtools/
stevefaulkner

11:35

No @kmoe ^^ @RickSBrown set up a pipe thats causing the issue
sideshowbarker

11:50

(testing replace…) hey this is super
sideshowbarker

11:50

good times
sideshowbarker

11:51

gitter apparently supports doing, e.g., s/supper/super/ to correct typos in previous messages
StommePoes

12:06

that's what the mail said
StommePoes

12:06

but some of us use IRC where it never matters :P
rodneyrehm

12:10

@StommePoes clicking on the scroll container does not focus it. it does, however, set the initial focus starting point (at least in firefox and IE)
rodneyrehm

12:14

there is a second “focus” pointer (only hinted in the spec) that is consulted when shifting focus from <body>. Same thing happens when navigating to a fragment and then hitting the tab key (observe the different behavior of that in chrome and firefox - https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/Array/Reduce#Description)
rodneyrehm

12:15

I’d assume the scroll-target-lock is based on the same principle
StommePoes

12:19

@rodney it probably is... I remember that focus-pointer thing being the excuse why Chromium couldn't make skip links work in their browser, they didn't understand it or couldn't implement it or something.
rodneyrehm

12:23

@StommePoes yeah, I filed a bug for that earlier this year: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=454172
StommePoes

12:24

there is a much older one that's less specific
StommePoes

12:25

https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=262171
StommePoes

12:27

I see you've been there
RickSBrown

12:40

@stevefaulkner not my pipe, i just reported it. I think it was some fellow called "Same-o-maticBOT"
StommePoes

12:41

Question for all of you: if a desktop application has ReadOnly form fields, and these are not by default focusable (for whatever reason, I do not know GTK at all), should developers add focus to these inputs?
stevefaulkner

12:41

Ah thanks @RickSBrown so some rogue bot, will try to track down
StommePoes

12:41

I am not talking about web forms though that would also be interesting, I've never changed anything about them.
StommePoes

12:43

I can't even get my focus into readonly fields in applications, but realise maybe I'm supposed to be able to get to them to, for example, copy text.
stevefaulkner

12:59

@kmoe @RickSBrown have tracked down the culprit, service should return to normal now :-)
stevefaulkner

12:59

"unwitting culprit"
RickSBrown

13:02

@stevefaulkner awesome, that was quick, thanks steve
StommePoes

13:03

cloak and dagger
StommePoes @StommePoes imagines SteveFaulkner as Tracer Bullet
zakim-robot

13:06

[Thomas Logan, a11y] God help us when all the bots go rogue!
StommePoes

13:06

skynet
zakim-robot

13:17

[Katy Moe, a11y] great, thanks guys - hopefully this message won’t turn up in @a11y-devtools...
StommePoes

13:20

Hm, even going through the web, I don't see any clear indication if application read-only fields should have focus or not. Lots of people say they should not receive focus, others say they should
rodneyrehm

13:20

browser default behavior is readonly is focusable
StommePoes

13:21

section 508 pages say the should be focusable but they mean HTML webforms and this is default anyway, so doesn't help.
rodneyrehm

13:22

what do you mean by "application fields”? “regular desktop app”?
StommePoes

13:25

I mean not-web: things you launch on your computer that don't use HTML.
StommePoes

13:25

fields== form fields.
StommePoes

13:25

The particular one I am talking about is written in GTK.
rodneyrehm

13:26

quickly skimming through the programs I have open on my mac does not yield any disabled fields at all…
StommePoes

13:26

Well, disabled seems more certain: everyone is saying those should never get the focus.
rodneyrehm

13:26

ah, not true
StommePoes

13:27

But readonly... apparently on the web, they should get focus, but if I make <input type=text readonly> it gets focus if I don't do anything dumb with it.
rodneyrehm

13:27

Security & Privacy Settings (when locked) has a read-only list of checkboxes. they can be focused.
StommePoes

13:27

I haven't found any place where people say disabled fields should receive focus.
StommePoes

13:27

What application is that? If they are disabled, can you change them?
rodneyrehm

13:28

disabled should not get focus, as disabled is inert. there are no click events to be dispatched for disabled elements either…
StommePoes

13:28

Right.
StommePoes

13:29

So there's a bit more information out there about disabled fields. There is very little about readonly fields, and what I do find is web-centric (HTML). People building non-web applications are saying, in various bug trackers I'm finding online, that these should not be focusable.
rodneyrehm

13:29

it’s the "Security & Privacy” system settings panel of Mac OS X 10.10 - and I can navigate the list (i.e. focus the list items) but I can’t mutate them
StommePoes

13:29

And the developers of our GTK application state that if they manually added focus to readonly fields, they stop being readonly. Not sure if that's true, but that's what they say.
StommePoes

13:30

that sounds like readonly, really.
StommePoes

13:30

You can't change them, but can focus on them.
rodneyrehm

13:30

I have no clue what the GTK conventions are. Mac OS X seems to behave the way the web does.
zakim-robot

13:31

[Thomas Logan, a11y] @StommePoes If a typical scenario for the application has people cutting and paste or somehow utilizing the information from the readonly field then I would say it needs to be focusable. The decision should follow from what people need to do with the application vs an absolute rule in my opinion.
StommePoes

13:31

I'm trying to find GTK conventions, or any cross-OS desktop conventions, but while I find lists of object relations, I can't find anything about expected behaviour.
StommePoes

13:32

Well, I'm trying to track down a bug, where Orca isn't able to read any readonly fields, however normally I should be able to read those anyway with flat review or mouse review
StommePoes

13:32

but those aren't working, and might be that that's the problem.
StommePoes

13:33

By default, the basic fields these guys build don't come with any focus events, which suggest to me that those are not expected.
StommePoes

13:34

I did find a GTK bug though where readonly fields were not accessible to flat review, but I had to send an email to the bug reporter to ask for more information.
zakim-robot

16:17

[heidi valles, a11y] hello. Q about mega menu from adobe. http://adobe-accessibility.github.io/Accessible-Mega-Menu/ - wondering why nav headings are not hidden when sub-navs are closed. Thoughts on if an always-perceivable mega-nav is helpful or annoying for AT users who navigate w headings?
MichielBijl

16:26

@heidi that link results in a 404?
zakim-robot

16:31

[heidi valles, a11y] Hmm, @michiel works ok for me. Refresh?
zakim-robot

16:32

[dylanb, a11y] @heidi: those sub-menus are hidden with aria-hidden="true", so they don't show up in the list of headings
zakim-robot

16:32

[dylanb, a11y] and cannot be navigated to using a SR
zakim-robot

16:40

[heidi valles, a11y] @dylanb: thanks! I jumped the gun, using a heading list tool that doesn't pay attention to aria. sorry for the noise!
zakim-robot

16:41

[Katy Moe, a11y] out of curiosity @heidi, what was the tool you’re using?
zakim-robot

16:43

[heidi valles, a11y] HeadingsMap chrome plugin @katy
zakim-robot

16:43

[heidi valles, a11y] Could you rec another that pays attention to ARIA?
zakim-robot

16:50

[Katy Moe, a11y] I haven’t tested with heading list tools - I tend to test with VoiceOver if I want to check something quickly
zakim-robot

16:51

[Katy Moe, a11y] but I’m interested in what tools are available
zakim-robot

16:52

[ryandudek, a11y] If you aren’t using a Mac, you can check out Chrome Vox or NVDA
zakim-robot

16:52

[ryandudek, a11y] Chrome Vox works on Mac as well, but I prefer Voice Over
zakim-robot

16:52

[heidi valles, a11y] I test with VO usually too and thought this would be a quick solution - proved wrong!
zakim-robot

16:54

[heidi valles, a11y] @katy perhaps we need to just learn the cmd for pulling up a headings list with VO?
zakim-robot

16:54

[Katy Moe, a11y] pulls out handy cheat sheet
zakim-robot

16:54

[dylanb, a11y] Ctrl-Option-U
zakim-robot

16:55

[Katy Moe, a11y] that’s the web rotor, right?
zakim-robot

16:55

[dylanb, a11y] yes
zakim-robot

16:55

[dylanb, a11y] that brings up all lists
zakim-robot

16:55

[Katy Moe, a11y] :thumbsup:
zakim-robot

16:55

[dylanb, a11y] and you can use the left and right arrows to cycle through them
zakim-robot

16:56

[dylanb, a11y] you might want to check out the options too because not everything is enabled by default
zakim-robot

16:56

[dylanb, a11y] but heading are
zakim-robot

16:56

[Katy Moe, a11y] yes, I’ve customised it a bit - I don’t want to deviate too much from default settings though, as I imagine the default settings are used by more users
zakim-robot

16:56

[heidi valles, a11y] cheers @dylanb !
zakim-robot

18:28

[Jesse Beach, a11y] For some reason, the rotor won't be summoned using Chrome
zakim-robot

18:28

[Jesse Beach, a11y] It only apparates in Safari
zakim-robot

18:29

[Jesse Beach, a11y] @dylanb: I met John Foliot last weekend and learned you two are colleagues
zakim-robot

18:29

[Jesse Beach, a11y] He's a wonderful guy, really passionate
zakim-robot

18:30

[dylanb, a11y] @jessebeach: yes he is (both passionate and a colleague)
zakim-robot

18:32

[heidi valles, a11y] @jessebeach: works ok for me in Chrome
zakim-robot

18:32

[Jesse Beach, a11y] hmmm, maybe I've got an overriding key combo
zakim-robot

18:33

[Jesse Beach, a11y] thanks for verifying @heidi !
zakim-robot

18:33

[heidi valles, a11y] np!
zakim-robot

18:47

[jitendra, a11y] Do we need nav role=“navigation"
zakim-robot

19:01

[johnbhartley, a11y] i believe when <nav> is used, the browser assumes that the role is navigation
zakim-robot

19:06

[jitendra, a11y] ok
stevefaulkner

19:29

@jitendravyas <nav> is mapped to role=navigation in all browsers except IE
zakim-robot

19:31

[jitendra, a11y] @stevef: So is it ok to use it for IE users?
zakim-robot

19:33

[Katy Moe, a11y] @jessebeach: there’s a Chrome bug with the rotor - try using Canary
zakim-robot

19:36

[Jesse Beach, a11y] +1
zakim-robot

19:58

[Jesse Beach, a11y] Is anyone in the Bay area interested in participating in a technical meetup this month? I'd like to get together in a casual setting and talk shop.
zakim-robot

20:41

[Marcy Sutton, a11y] If I was there I would!! :wave:
zakim-robot

21:10

[Alice Boxhall, a11y] @jessebeach: I'd be up for it
dylanb

21:25

anyone here interested in a discount code for the IAAP conference http://www.accessibilityassociation.org/access2015
zakim-robot

21:59

[Jesse Beach, a11y] @marcysutton: maybe we can fly you down for the night!
zakim-robot

22:02

[dylanb, a11y] I'm up for it, I'll fly in if need be :simple_smile:
zakim-robot

22:03

[Jesse Beach, a11y] @alice: I'm free Tuesday and Thursday nights. Maybe in two weeks? I'd come up to SF if we could crash at the Google offices :simple_smile:
zakim-robot

22:03

[Jesse Beach, a11y] I'll see if Matt King wants to join as well
zakim-robot

22:04

[Jesse Beach, a11y] We had a lively discussion at lunch about where to draw the line between the fields of accessibility and usability
zakim-robot

22:04

[Jesse Beach, a11y] Might be fun to continue that and also talk about ARIA 1.1 topics he's specing out
zakim-robot

22:12

[Marcy Sutton, a11y] @jessebeach: is Matt on Twitter? I didn’t get a chance to say goodbye at Open Web Camp.
zakim-robot

22:21

[Alice Boxhall, a11y] @jessebeach: I'm free Tuesdays and Thursdays too - though I'm typically in Mountain View on Tuesdays so I'm pretty wrecked by Tuesday evening
zakim-robot

22:21

[Alice Boxhall, a11y] (I still get on the bus at 6:45am)
nschonni

22:29

@dylanb does the discount code include a free flight :smile:
dylanb

22:29

unfortunately not - would be nice
stevefaulkner

22:31

@jitendravyas it's OK to add as in it doesn't hurt, at same time am trying to discourage use of redundant roles on native elements to reduce cruft and cargo cult copy and paste coding issues, thus the SHOULD NOT requirement in http://www.w3.org/TR/html-aria/ and the resulting expression of warnings in @w3c HTML conformance checkers https://validator.w3.org/nu/
feather @feather tries to be a bot
feather

22:44

Looks like it worked. Now I'm more like @stevefaulkner and @dylanb :smile:
zakim-robot

23:22

[Jesse Beach, a11y] @alice: Thursday, 8/13?
zakim-robot

23:30

[Jesse Beach, a11y] @marcysutton: he's @kinga11y

Gitter Channel Archive 4th of August 2015

A11ySlackers chat log 3rd of August 2015 - http://w3c.github.io/a11ySlackers/archives/030815.html