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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 3rd of September 2015

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. jonathantneal
    Sep 03 00:13
    If a trigger element’s aria-expanded attribute tells us the expanded state of a group it controls (aria-controls), then what attribute on the group tells us its own expanded state?
  2. jonathantneal
    Sep 03 00:15 
    <a aria-controls="menu" aria-expanded="true">Menu</a> <menu id="menu” what-attribute-goes-here="true">     <li>         <a href="#item1">Item 1</a>     </li>     <li>         <a href="#item2">Item 2</a>     </li> </menu>
  3. dylanb
    Sep 03 00:42
    @jonathantneal if you download Canary, there is an experiment where the accessibility tree is exposed in the Chrome dev tools. @alice knows more
  4. powrsurg
    13:30
    When was this year's WebAIM survey released? I just saw Bruce Lawson tweeting about it and was surprised I hadn't seen it already
  5. powrsurg
    13:30
    I see it was conducted in July, but don't see the date that the survey results came out
  6. aardrian
    13:55
    @powrsurg It came out last Friday, late in the day for those on EST. Then there was a lot of weekend chatter about the WindowEyes / ZoomText numbers. It was awesome.
  7. powrsurg
    14:04
    Oh, good. I feel less bad for missing it. Have been heavily pushing a new update to our product for about the last week.
  8. powrsurg
    14:04
    Still, good to know
  9. powrsurg
    14:05
    and am shocked by the WindowEyes and ZoomText stuff
  10. garcialo
    14:06
    http://webaim.org/blog/resurgence-of-zoomtext-and-window-eyes/
  11. powrsurg
    14:07
    Yeah, I saw that in the survey
  12. garcialo
    14:08
    :)
  13. powrsurg
    14:10
    guess it's time to start testing there
  14. aardrian
    14:11
    @powrsurg You can see some of the on-Twitter discussions branching from Karl Groves' tweet: https://twitter.com/karlgroves/status/637324600053882880
  15. LjWatson
    14:17
    I'm less surprised at the increase in WE figures. I've been aware of a lot of people moving to WE from Jaws since WE became free for Office users.
  16. jonathantneal
    14:23
    Sanitize.css v2 is out, and it has some useful ARIA goodies https://twitter.com/jon_neal/status/639441006358851584
  17. powrsurg
    15:45
    Yeah, the WE increase makes sense. I'm surprised it isn't higher than ZT thou
  18. fstorr
    17:09
    @stevefaulkner Definitely interested in an AViewer hangout.
  19. zakim-robot
    17:25
    [Darryl Pogue, a11y] If I have a div with some long text and overflow: hidden, screen readers are going to read the full text rather than truncating, correct?
  20. zakim-robot
    17:54
    [Alice Boxhall, a11y] @dpogue: I would expect so
  21. zakim-robot
    18:08
    [Jesse Beach, a11y] @dpogue, I'd love to know what screen reader behavior is for CSS-ellipsed text. If you happen to observe it, please let us know!
  22. jonathantneal
    18:25
    @dpogue, Alice Boxhall, I’ll test this a bit later if you haven’t already.
  23. zakim-robot
    18:33
    [Alice Boxhall, a11y] I haven't!
  24. zakim-robot
    18:34
    [Darryl Pogue, a11y] My quick test with VoiceOver in Chrome seemed to read the visible text, then the next element, the the rest of the hidden text (possibly due to element positioning and linebreaks in the hidden text)
  25. zakim-robot
    18:36
    [Alice Boxhall, a11y] whoa weird
  26. zakim-robot
    18:36
    [Alice Boxhall, a11y] Can you point me at your test page at all?
  27. jonathantneal
    18:36
    Alice Boxhall, it will live @ https://jonathantneal.github.io/rat/
  28. jonathantneal
    18:37
    If you want to share the CSS combination you’re using, that could save me some time when I can get to it. Otherwise I’ll Google for the most common pattern.
  29. zakim-robot
    18:39
    [Alice Boxhall, a11y] Yeah I'm interested in what @dpogue is using
  30. zakim-robot
    18:44
    [dylanb, a11y] @dpogue: one of the CSS off screen techniques relies very much on overflow:hidden working http://unobfuscated.blogspot.com/2015/01/updated-offscreen-techniques.html
  31. zakim-robot
    18:44
    [dylanb, a11y] i.e. the text being read by screen readers
  32. zakim-robot
    18:44
    [Darryl Pogue, a11y] Okay, it looks like my weird result was possibly caused by some positioning stuff and a floating element
  33. zakim-robot
    18:45
    [dylanb, a11y] VO on iOS or OS X?
  34. zakim-robot
    18:46
    [dylanb, a11y] on iOS, VO does some funky stuff to try to deal with focus, that will cause vertically overlapping elements to interfere with each other
  35. zakim-robot
    18:47
    [dylanb, a11y] which is why the clip rect offscreen technique works better in general because of its positional and sizing characteristics
  36. zakim-robot
    18:50
    [Darryl Pogue, a11y] on OSX
  37. zakim-robot
    18:54
    [dylanb, a11y] if you have a test page, I'd like to play around with it
  38. jonathantneal
    18:54
    dylanb, not to contradict that article, but might the modern version of clip: rect(0 0 0 0) just be clip-path: inset(0)?
  39. jonathantneal
    18:57
    Nevermind, it’s from the edges.
  40. zakim-robot
    18:59
    [Darryl Pogue, a11y] @dylanb Yeah, I’m trying to reproduce it in a reduced test page but it’s not happening now, which leads me to believe it’s some CSS oddness in my site
  41. jonathantneal
    18:59
    polygon(0 0,0 0,0 0,0 0) is about as small as I could get it. Yuck. Wonder when browsers would drop support for clip.
  42. jonathantneal
    19:00
    Wait. polygon(0 0)
  43. jonathantneal
    19:00
    Much more reasonable.
  44. jonathantneal
    19:13
    Too bad about IEdge http://caniuse.com/#feat=css-clip-path
  45. zakim-robot
    22:12
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] @Here If you were going to come up with a phrase/acronym equivalent to NSFW for animation and motion sickness triggering things, what would you suggest?
  46. zakim-robot
    22:13
    [Faruk Ateş, a11y] <54 people are typing>
  47. zakim-robot
    22:14
    [Cordelia McGee-Tubb, a11y] AYE (Avert Your Eyes)
  48. garcialo
    22:14
    !!
  49. garcialo
    22:14
    Nice one
  50. zakim-robot
    22:14
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] @cordelia: That is nice!
  51. zakim-robot
    22:14
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] “Awesome demo of the day AYE AYE!"
  52. zakim-robot
    22:15
    [Faruk Ateş, a11y] SICNES — Shaking Interface Causes Needless Epileptic Seizure
  53. zakim-robot
    22:15
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] I was thinking MSW (Motion sickness warning)
  54. zakim-robot
    22:16
    [Faruk Ateş, a11y] ^ updated
  55. zakim-robot
    22:16
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] @kurafire: I have a vestibular disorder and get migraines and vertigo from animation, but not seizures.
  56. zakim-robot
    22:16
    [Faruk Ateş, a11y] oh yea, I mean, @cordelia’s is more widely useful and concise, I just like making acronyms :simple_smile:
  57. zakim-robot
    22:17
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] trying to be more generic if possible.
  58. zakim-robot
    22:17
    [Val Head, a11y] @gregtarnoff: Motion Alert? I think abledis.com uses that term in some posts
  59. zakim-robot
    22:17
    [Val Head, a11y] (or at least I know I’ve heard that somewhere before and Marissa’s site seems like a likely place it happened )
  60. zakim-robot
    22:18
    [Val Head, a11y] It’s not as fun to yell as “AYE” would be though :simple_smile:
  61. jonathantneal
    22:19
    "Aye: maties" oh my
  62. zakim-robot
    22:19
    [Cordelia McGee-Tubb, a11y] DISTINCTION, “Dude, I’m Sorry, There Is No Checkbox to Turn It Off. Nope."
  63. zakim-robot
    22:21
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] @valhead: I think I’ve heard that to. not sure MA would catch on in tweets. I do like DISTINCTION
  64. zakim-robot
    22:22
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] https://twitter.com/lawnsea/status/639564034623172608
  65. zakim-robot
    22:25
    [Val Head, a11y] @gregtarnoff: yeah it might be too short to really notice
  66. zakim-robot
    22:33
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] https://twitter.com/stephaniehobson/status/639566583111659520
  67. zakim-robot
    22:34
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] I really like DZY.
  68. zakim-robot
    22:36
    [Val Head, a11y] DZY is a good one! #dzy
  69. zakim-robot
    22:38
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] I think I’m going to push #DZY and maybe #SZR for seizure inducing (flashing, strobing, etc).
  70. zakim-robot
    22:39
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] https://twitter.com/gregtarnoff/status/639568343326834688 If people could help get it noticed.
  71. zakim-robot
    22:43
    [Greg Tarnoff, a11y] Anyone recommend a datepicker that’s accessible? Preferably standalone. I don’t want to include bootstrap for one component.
  72. kennyw12
    23:03
    Hello! We found an GoogleChrome/accessibility-developer-tools#234 with ADT v2.9.0-rc.0 when trying to upgrade a11y to use that latest version.