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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 15th of December 2015

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:41
    anyone else having an issue with going to http://www.html5accessibility.com/ directly from Google?
  2. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:41
    If I access that coming from Google I'm redirected to a site for viagra, but if I go to it directly it works fine
  3. zakim-robot
    Dec 15 00:41
    [karlgroves] Hey slackers! Got a few moments for a survey? https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HXSNYJS
  4. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:42
    @powrsurg It's one way @stevefaulkner pays the bills.
  5. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:43
    does that happen for anyone else?
  6. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:43
    or do I have a weird virus going on
  7. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:43
    Was about to try it out
  8. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:43
    I searched for "html5 dialog a11y"
  9. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:43
    I'm getting it too
  10. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:43
    okay, weird
  11. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:43
    That is pretty hilarious.
  12. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:44
    I just tested on my phone and it didn't do it
  13. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:44
    Maybe we have the same viagra virus
  14. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:45
    I thought the domain got lost or something, then tried going to it directly
  15. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:45
    It doesn't seem to be doing it for any other sites in the search results.
  16. zakim-robot
    Dec 15 00:45
    [blavalla] happening for me on desktop Chrome on a Mac, but if I spoof mobile chrome on the same machine it works fine.
  17. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:46
    it happens with bing too
  18. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:46
    I think it's a Google issue. Do the search and hover over the link to see what URL it has for that link. Then middle click the link. After the new tab loads, go back and check the URL. It's all weird and Googly.
  19. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:46
    Ah, then it's probably something else.
  20. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:47
    I wonder who steve uses for DNS
  21. zakim-robot
    Dec 15 00:48
    [blavalla] happens from bing too
  22. zakim-robot
    Dec 15 00:49
    [blavalla] I had to search for "html5accessibility" to even have the site come up in the results
  23. zakim-robot
    Dec 15 00:49
    [blavalla] likely it's being demoted due to the spam
  24. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:49
    So will that ping you made a moment ago alert Steve, or should we hit him on twitter
  25. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:49
    @blavalla I saw the same thing
  26. garcialo
    Dec 15 00:49
    It's nearly 1 in London, I don't know what time he goes to sleep.
  27. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:49
    time zones are a bitch
  28. zakim-robot
    Dec 15 00:50
    [blavalla] not happening from duckduckgo, which makes me think the site is checking the referrers and only redirecting if it sees big sites like google or bing
  29. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:58
    yeah
  30. powrsurg
    Dec 15 00:58
    stuff like this is a PITA
  31. stevefaulkner
    03:52
    @powrsurg thanks for headsup re html5acc will sort it out in morn
  32. stevefaulkner
    09:26
    @powrsurg @garcialo fixed now, a .htaccess file had been inserted in root folder, now have to go change passwords :-1:
  33. pkra
    12:11
    If anyone is interested in on-the-fly math accessibility, we'd be thrilled to get feedback on this https://github.com/mathjax/MathJax-RespEq/wiki/Support-Matrix-a11y-tool
  34. MichielBijl
    12:14
    Anyone here on OS X “El Capitain”?
  35. powrsurg
    14:06
    @stevefaulkner that stuff is never fun ...
  36. MichielBijl
    14:24
    Does anyone have test results on whether browsers expose aria-labelledby correctly if the referenced element is hidden?
  37. MichielBijl
    14:24
    I'm not even sure what the correct behaviour is to be honest.
  38. garcialo
    14:26
    I imagine it wouldn't be announced.
  39. garcialo
    14:28
    I mean...if it is, I think it shouldn't. I know that if the element referenced by aria-describedby is hidden, it is announced. But aria-labelledby is intended to be used when the labelledby text is visible.
  40. zakim-robot
    14:29
    [karlgroves] Incorrect.
    Both will work, even when referencing invisible content.
  41. garcialo
    14:29
    Yeah, justfound that.
  42. MichielBijl
    14:29
    So it does work, but isn't the right usage.
  43. MichielBijl
    14:29
    i.e. don't use it when referenced element is hidden.
  44. garcialo
    14:30
    Yeah, add the attribute once you display the referenced element.
  45. zakim-robot
    14:30
    [karlgroves] It is a fine usage, IMO.
  46. MichielBijl
    14:31
    Just found a better way to solve my issue. But it's an interesting discussing, because not everybody seems to agree =p
  47. zakim-robot
    14:32

    [karlgroves] http://www.w3.org/TR/accname-aam-1.1/#mapping_additional_nd_te

    Search for the string “The text alternative for a given element is computed as follows:”

    And read from there

  48. MichielBijl @MichielBijl wasn't sure the same title text was used through various states of the same widget. Seemed confusing to me, but same text is used.
  49. zakim-robot
    14:35

    [karlgroves] ARIA spec does not disallow this, either
    http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/states_and_properties#aria-labelledby

    However, does indicate a preference for aria-label for non-visible labels (which makes complete sense, IMO)

  50. MichielBijl
    14:35
    I can agree to that.
  51. MichielBijl
    14:35
    It was simply a case of not wanting to duplicate content.
  52. zakim-robot
    14:36
    [karlgroves] Exactly. If you can keep things DRY and accessible, I say go for it
  53. MichielBijl
    14:36
    In the accname aam, is current node the thing you reference with aria-labelledby?
  54. MichielBijl
    14:37
    Doh
  55. MichielBijl
    14:37
    It's a couple lines up…
  56. MichielBijl
    14:37
    Current node
    The DOM node currently traversed to compute the root node's text equivalent.
  57. StommePoes
    14:46
    @pkra someone asks "Where do they want feedback at?"
  58. pkra
    14:49
    @StommePoes anyway they want. By email to me (peter.krautzberger@mathjax.org) or our user group, or the repo's issue tracker etc. Just get it to us :-)
  59. pkra
    14:50
    This is work in progress though we're planning the first proper release for later this month.
  60. StommePoes
    15:36
    @pkra thanks I've passed it on
  61. pkra
    15:36
    @StommePoes thanks so much!
  62. StommePoes
    15:40
    Sina was all like, "I'm so conflicted!" :P
  63. pkra
    15:56
    hah.
  64. pkra
    15:57
    Also, he should've gotten an email way earlier...
  65. zakim-robot
    15:59
    [katy] Hey all! Is there a form of colour blindness that makes it difficult to see white text on a coloured background? I’m trying to interpret a support request from a user.
  66. garcialo
    16:01
    I don't think so, but you could (sort of) check for yourself with ColorOracle. =) http://colororacle.org/
  67. zakim-robot
    16:01
    [katy] yeah, I did check our entire website with all settings on that, so I’m a bit perplexed
  68. zakim-robot
    16:02
    [katy] I wonder whether this user has a different kind of visual impairment that they describe as colour blindness
  69. zakim-robot
    16:02
    [katy] either way, I guess the feedback is that our text isn’t legible for all users!
  70. MichielBijl
    16:13
    From my experience, if your contrast is level AA and up, it should legible for people with colour blindness.
  71. stevefaulkner
    16:22
    Capture.PNG
  72. stevefaulkner
    16:22
    the color contrast ratio was designed so that if a color combo passed 4.5:1 for default vision, then should also pass same for types of color deficit, you can check this with the color contrast analyser
  73. stevefaulkner
    16:22
    alt= view of CCA showing contrast ratio for different types of color blindness
  74. MichielBijl
    16:23
    A big thank you to @webkit for fucking us over on zoom: thank you.
  75. MichielBijl
    16:24
    https://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/contrastanalyser/
  76. stevefaulkner
    16:24
    rationale for ratios chosen: http://www.w3.org/TR/UNDERSTANDING-WCAG20/visual-audio-contrast-contrast.html#visual-audio-contrast-contrast-73-head from Understanding SC 1.4.3
  77. MichielBijl
    16:27
    Any thoughts on this: https://webkit.org/blog/5610/more-responsive-tapping-on-ios/
  78. zakim-robot
    16:29
    [katy] thanks for the colour contrast help, guys - we are AA compliant so I’m not sure exactly where the user is coming from here
  79. MichielBijl
    16:30
    I'm gonna send that Apple dude an e-mail =)
  80. MichielBijl
    16:31
    “As I understand it developers are now rewarded for disabling zoom on their website. How will people that need zoom in order to view the content work around this? Will there be an option in iOS to disable this zoom blocking?”
  81. MichielBijl
    16:31
    Or is that too passive aggressive =p
  82. MichielBijl
    16:35
    I've read that blog post completely wrong.
  83. MichielBijl @MichielBijl hides from the internet forever
  84. MichielBijl
    16:37
    However, we believe web pages should be scalable when possible. For this reason, viewports that have width=device-width will have fast single tapping when the user is at initial scale.
  85. MichielBijl
    17:04
    Seems I wasn't the only one who missed it though.
  86. zakim-robot
    18:31
    [rabidpuffin] Hey guys! I just posted a video about designing a global solution for the date field, and there’s some a11y stuff in there that I’d love feedback on from this community. I’m a UX designer, but Im really passionate about a11y stuff and really want to make that a foundational part of the designs I create. The video is fast and fun and I hope you all enjoy it. https://youtu.be/jFDRXVs44bo
  87. garcialo
    18:33
    Great video. =)
  88. garcialo
    18:34
    Captions cover up some of the pie chart labels
  89. MichielBijl
    18:37
    Beautiful video =)
  90. zakim-robot
    18:58
    [rabidpuffin] Ah, good catch @garcialo
  91. zakim-robot
    18:58
    [rabidpuffin] I tried to design for the captions, but forgot about the pie chart section.
  92. garcialo
    18:59
    I presume you've already checked the colors to make sure each slice is discernible from the next?
  93. zakim-robot
    19:01
    [rabidpuffin] Ran it through Xscope that has some of those filters.
  94. MichielBijl
    19:01
    Side question: was that video made with Keynote?
  95. garcialo
    19:01
    cool
  96. zakim-robot
    19:04
    [rabidpuffin] @michiel: Yeah, it was. BTW, LOVE the background on your twitter profile!
  97. zakim-robot
    19:04
    [rabidpuffin] Why is that not your avatar here?
  98. MichielBijl
    19:05
    Cool! Keynote is so versatile.
  99. garcialo
    19:05
    There are two chats connected via a tunnel; we're in the other chat.
  100. MichielBijl
    19:05
    Because it's not my GitHub avatar. And because you're on Slack and I'm on Gitter =)
  101. zakim-robot
    19:05
    [garcialo] ...some people are in both.
  102. MichielBijl
    19:05
    What @garcialo said.
  103. zakim-robot
    19:06
    [michiel] Show off
  104. MichielBijl
    19:07
    The reason there is a split is that Gitter offers better #a11y (when we started anyway).
  105. MichielBijl
    19:07
    And Gitter's IRC tunnel has less noise.
  106. MichielBijl
    19:07
    tunnel/bridge
  107. zakim-robot
    19:08
    [rabidpuffin] Interesting. I had no idea.
  108. garcialo
    19:08
    https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2015/07/anybody-can-be-an-a11y-slacker/
  109. MichielBijl
    19:09
    Gitter a11ySlackers room in Safari: http://dir.agosto.nl/dump/Screen%20Shot%202015-12-15%20at%2020.08.38.png
  110. MichielBijl
    19:24
    @garcialo would you be so kind to add version numbers to your result for the language switch research thing?
  111. MichielBijl
    19:24
    Stands to reason versions can be omitted where stuff is tied (like VoiceOver).
  112. garcialo
    19:24
    don't have time now, but create an issue and assign it to me
  113. MichielBijl
    19:25
    Will do.
  114. zakim-robot
    19:27
    [yzen] dylanb gi
  115. zakim-robot
    19:27
    [yzen] s/gi/hi
  116. zakim-robot
    20:52
    [ldavis] can someone please point me to a good place for html5 audio and JAWS/Aria support, namely around the default controls
  117. zakim-robot
    20:52
    [ldavis] I'm struggling to find useful information even to set expectation around these types of elements/controls
  118. zakim-robot
    20:58
    [bdruth] (crickets.wav)
  119. MichielBijl
    21:02
    What is it exactly that your looking for? What JAWS should announce? Or how to build something with ARIA?
  120. zakim-robot
    21:09
    [ldavis] At the moment (with the default controls) I have made the audio element tabable with a tabindex and added an aria-label to the tune of "Audio Player. Hit tab to access controls".
  121. zakim-robot
    21:09
    [ldavis] Is there meant to be hot keys or anything "typical" of an accessible audio player experience
  122. zakim-robot
    21:10
    [marcysutton] If you are adding that kind of support and running into cross-browser stuff, you might consider adding custom controls that are bound to the player
  123. zakim-robot
    21:10
    [marcysutton] I know with HTML5 video keyboard support is really mixed
  124. zakim-robot
    21:11
    [ldavis] Custom controls is the feeling I get @marcysutton. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of information available out on the internets
  125. MichielBijl
    21:13
    I'm sad to say that the APG hasn't writen it yet :( http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#mediaplayer
  126. MichielBijl
    21:14
    Toolbar is the closest things we've got: http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#toolbar
  127. zakim-robot
    21:17
    [ldavis] Thanks MichielBijl and marcysutton, at this squelches my madness of trying to find the "right way" do this
  128. zakim-robot
    21:17
    [ldavis] at least that is
  129. zakim-robot
    21:17
    [marcysutton] I think you can define it a little bit: what is a good accessible user experience for an audio player
  130. MichielBijl
    21:21
    This might help, by TPG's @iheni: http://www.iheni.com/accessible-media-player-resources/
  131. zakim-robot
    21:24
    [ldavis] Thanks!
  132. zakim-robot
    21:45
    [jiatyan] @rabidpuffin: video was really good. Good explanation and solutions, cute puffin. Thanks for sharing!
  133. zakim-robot
    21:59
    [rabidpuffin] Thanks @jiatyan !
  134. stevefaulkner
    22:38

    [garcialo] ...some people are in both.

    Some people over compensate...

  135. garcialo
    22:41
    Some people have to make up for the undercompensators.
  136. garcialo
    22:42
    Or maybe I just want to private chat with you and other friends I have in slack =p
  137. zakim-robot
    22:59
    [joe-watkins] Doing some writing for a news piece and I'm looking for a good link to raw numbers showing a percentage of people living with disabilities that use the web.. anyone have good links on that? Or a good % I've turned up 54% from this pew article: http://www.pewinternet.org/2011/01/21/americans-living-with-disability-and-their-technology-profile/