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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 18th of December 2015

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    Dec 18 00:49
    [blink183] Yuck the Slack iOS app implemented infinite scroll.
  2. zakim-robot
    07:49
    [jitendra] http://blog.mattmcleod.net/2015/11/25/building-an-accessible-slideshow-with-bootstrap/
  3. MichielBijl
    09:44

    So the goal is a slider that is ignored by screen readers but which is keyboard accessible for those users who can see but need to use the keyboard to navigate.

    How accessible of them

  4. MichielBijl
    10:15
    Since they don't include an example, I cannot test this, but if I read that I assume screen readers just get a big hole in the website where other users see a slider?
  5. stevefaulkner
    10:25
    @pkra JAWS/chrome does not like role=math remove it and JAWS reads the equations (don't know if they are read correctly though)
  6. stevefaulkner
    10:29
    @pkra also suggest <div id="enriched" style="border:1px solid; padding:3px" role="group" aria-label="enriched math">
  7. MichielBijl @MichielBijl rereading the common panel spec
  8. MichielBijl
    15:26
    Anybody that wants to chime in here (either against or for aria-errormessage): w3c/aria#128
  9. powrsurg
    15:53
    without reading it, I was assuming aria-errormessage to be taking an id for an element on the page with role="alert" for forms that display an error message at the top when something bad happens
  10. MichielBijl
    15:54
    It takes an ID ref, yes.
  11. powrsurg
    15:58
    I see why this wouldn't really be needed as there are elements already that can be made to do what is necessary, but I think error states are common enough that having something explicit that does it would be of value. I'm sure that there are many people that, when first adding a11y stuff to their site (because we know many devs don't do it right the first time) would actually actively look for how to make their forms valid and seeing an aria-errormessage and would implement it right away, and I think docs explaining it would get them to use aria-invalid properly which I still think many newer devs would skip over
  12. powrsurg
    15:58
    so what is the goal you're trying to make: get more devs doing a11y, or use what we already have to do something?
  13. powrsurg
    15:58
    it's an education thing either way, I just think the one will get more traction
  14. MichielBijl
    16:00

    so what is the goal

    Help users =P

  15. MichielBijl
    16:01
    I think Joseph explains it pretty well: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jul/0031.html
  16. MichielBijl
    16:01
    First, an aria-errormessage is a more specific semantic, declaring that
    the text is an error message. Otherwise, it is a description, but it's
    unknown what kind of description.
  17. powrsurg
    17:55
    hey, I'm referenced!
  18. stevefaulkner
    17:55
    https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/677909758750408704
  19. zakim-robot
    18:40

    [tararobertson] hi--MathJax on Twitter suggested I might be able to get some help here. I'm testing some MathML that we produced (in IE using the 40 minute free trial of JAWS16). Do you know if the 40 minute trial version of JAWS 16 has the same functionality as the fully licensed version? There's so many moving parts: the formatted MathML outputted in HTML, the browser (and all the settings, have already gone through this: https://docs.mathjax.org/en/v2.5-latest/misc/faq.html) and the screenreader.

    Thanks!

  20. garcialo
    18:41
    @tararobertson It's the same software; if it's licensed, you can use it for more then 40 minutes at a time.
  21. garcialo
    18:42
    You could also use NVDA, which is free and open source. http://www.nvaccess.org/
  22. garcialo
    18:43
    It's recommended to use JAWS+IE / NVDA+Firefox
  23. zakim-robot
    19:01
    [tararobertson] thanks @garcialo, the student i'm producing this for is a JAWS user, so i'm testing to make sure the content we produced will work with the tools he's got.
  24. garcialo
    19:01
    Ah, that makes sense then.
  25. MichielBijl
    20:35
    Apparently it's Friday, could've sworn it was Wednesday…
  26. garcialo
    20:57
    yeah, that's how I felt yesterday
  27. MichielBijl
    23:03
    There is a user voice topic for Microsoft to make a real native screen reader: https://microsoftaccessibility.uservoice.com/forums/307429-microsoft-accessibility-feedback/suggestions/11125842-create-a-real-native-screen-reader-like-voiceover
  28. garcialo
    23:03
    Wait, is that not was Narrator is supposed to be?
  29. MichielBijl
    23:04
    I haven't worked with it, but have heard it's not a complete screen reader yet?
  30. MichielBijl
    23:05
    Also not sure if it does other languages other than English
  31. MichielBijl
    23:05
    Doesn't do Dutch as far s I know.
  32. garcialo
    23:05
    Yeah, from what I've used it, it seems quite lacking...but I'm just saying if it's intended to be a native screen reader, then shouldn't the idea be to just further develop it?
  33. MichielBijl
    23:06
    That was on a Windows 8 phone
  34. MichielBijl
    23:06
    Sure
  35. MichielBijl
    23:07
    “Narrator is a light-duty screen reader utility included in Microsoft Windows.”
  36. MichielBijl
    23:07
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Narrator
  37. garcialo
    23:08
    Yeah, I saw that just after tweeting
  38. MichielBijl
    23:08
    That's a pretty descriptive opening =P
  39. garcialo
    23:08
    Yeah
  40. MichielBijl
    23:09
    “Narrator for Windows Phones currently only works if the phone's language is set to "English (United States)".”
  41. MichielBijl
    23:10
    Ah, that's why I didn't get it to work on the Windows Phone.
  42. MichielBijl
    23:10
    I had English (United Kingdom) :')