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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 9th of January 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. MichielBijl
    12:47
    @garcialo interesting issues with scope usage: w3c/wcag#127
  2. MichielBijl
    12:47
    http://www.powermapper.com/tests/screen-readers/tables/table-th-scope/
  3. StommePoes
    13:04
    From Gonz: Interested in dictation support (Dragon and MS) for NVDA? Subscribe to its mailing list: http://3mousetech.com/mailman/listinfo/dictation-discuss_3mousetech.com
  4. garcialo
    14:06
    @MichielBijl That technique looks odd.
  5. garcialo
    14:06
    Well, the example seems odd when you read the description of it.
  6. garcialo
    14:07
    "In the following example, column #1 contains serial numbers for rows in the table and the second column contains the key value for the row." Okay, no problems.
  7. garcialo
    14:07
    'The cells in the second column may then use scope="row".' Okay, a little weird, but okay.
  8. garcialo
    14:08
    'The cells in the first row too are marked up with td and use scope="col".' Uh...what? <tr> <td></td> <th scope="col">Name</th> <th scope="col">Phone#</th> <th scope="col">Fax#</th> <th scope="col">City</th> </tr><tr>
  9. MichielBijl
    14:09
    I haven't actually read it 🙈
  10. MichielBijl
    14:09
    Just thought of you when I saw the issue.
  11. garcialo
    14:19
    Okay, I tested with the example code as described and it works on Firefox with NVDA.
  12. garcialo
    14:26
    And actually, the example code as provided seems to work as well.
  13. MichielBijl
    14:31
    =\
  14. garcialo
    14:33
    The only data that doesn't have a description for it is the first column because there is isn't a column header for it; and maybe the "row" header only applies to cells below it?
  15. MichielBijl
    14:34
    Would have been helpful if they provided a test file.
  16. garcialo
    14:36
    @MichielBijl Here you go http://www.garcialo.com/tests/tdtest.html
  17. MichielBijl
    14:39
    Thank you. That is messed up in VoiceOver on iOS. I can post results once I'm at @StommePoes' place.
  18. garcialo
    14:44
    @MichielBijl No. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I had recently been convinced by a coworker that my belief that TDs could be used as headers was wrong. You have proven me right; the best thing one human can do for another.
  19. MichielBijl
    15:26
    :+1:
  20. MichielBijl
    15:27
    That's why we science!
  21. stevefaulkner
    16:05
    @MichielBijl No. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I had recently been convinced by a coworker that my belief that TDs could be used as headers was wrong. You have proven me right; the best thing one human can do for another.
  22. stevefaulkner
    16:06
    scope not allowed on td's in HTML5 is all https://validator.w3.org/nu/?doc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.garcialo.com%2Ftests%2Ftdtest.html
  23. stevefaulkner
    16:09
    also AT use heuristics will often report first cell in col/row as header when interrogated despite lack of header markup, also putting scope on a td exposes as header in acc API in some browsers
  24. stevefaulkner
    16:14
    @garcialo "The core reason to run your HTML documents through a conformance checker is simple: To catch unintended mistakes—mistakes you might have otherwise missed—so that you can fix them." wise words https://validator.w3.org/nu/about.html
  25. garcialo
    16:14
    Yeah; when I say TDs could used a headers, I'm kind of meaning specifically as in "It's not a failure under WCAG."
  26. stevefaulkner
    16:15
    it came up recently in discussion about a wcag technique
  27. garcialo
    16:16
    Interesting.
  28. stevefaulkner
    16:16
    they are updating it to reflect html5 conformance criteria
  29. garcialo
    16:17
    I think that's great. =)
  30. MichielBijl
    21:45
    So, @stevefaulkner and @garcialo, will Automated Testing Tool Showdown be a rap battle about #a11y testing tools?
  31. MichielBijl
    21:46
    Kind of like the one Jake and Bruce did at Frontiers.
  32. StommePoes
    21:49
    That could have been a better battle
  33. StommePoes
    21:49
    PPK's not much of a fighter, I found he lost unfairly
  34. MichielBijl
    21:51
    Right, it was against PPK
  35. StommePoes
    21:52
    bruce was the ref
  36. MichielBijl
    21:52
    Yeah, he should definitely keep making trance instead of doing rap battles :+
  37. MichielBijl
    21:52
    Is it just me or does Bruce always wear a rain thingy
  38. StommePoes
    21:53
    with a pony
  39. StommePoes
    21:53
    or unicorn on it
  40. MichielBijl
    21:53
    It was magnificent
  41. StommePoes
    21:53
    nah that was because of the typo walk
  42. StommePoes
    21:53
    it was raining and people got ponchos
  43. MichielBijl
    21:54
    It only mieserde
  44. StommePoes
    21:55
    ask Andy Walpole about it
  45. StommePoes
    21:55
    @divisiveCotton
  46. garcialo
    22:25
    @MichielBijl No spoilers.
  47. MichielBijl
    22:26
    I'll definitely come and watch =)
  48. StommePoes
    23:21
    open the window, stick your head out, and yell "I'm mad as hell! And I'm not gonna take this anymore!!" then we'll figure out what to do about inaccessible websites and bullshit frameworks and uncaring devteams
  49. MichielBijl
    23:24
    To what are you replying =P
  50. StommePoes
    23:49
    REPLYING IS FOR FOLLOWERS, I AM A LEADER