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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 18th of January 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    07:04
    [kevinchao89] What's experience with F123 Access General or App Specific Script Packages? http://f123access.com/script-packages/
  2. cr2a-graphique
    08:28
    I install F123Access, i activate it. but my page still no change... how i can see the change ? is there a panel to compare code ?
  3. jkva
    08:33
    kevinchao89: You could ask @pauljadam on twitter - he's big in Android a11y
  4. MichielBijl
    10:32
    GOD WHY?!
  5. MichielBijl
    10:33
    I have to build parallax shit into our website…
  6. MichielBijl
    10:33
    I asked if it wouldn't be better to support older browsers. They said those people should buy newer computers…
  7. MichielBijl
    10:33
    -.-
  8. MichielBijl
    10:34
    So if someone is looking for an a11y front end dev, I'm available from March on =P
  9. jkva
    10:35
    Sheesh
  10. zakim-robot
    10:49
    [crazycatlena] Hi !
  11. zakim-robot
    10:50
    [crazycatlena] do you know where I can find key figures about mobile use by disabled people ?
  12. MichielBijl
    10:50
    WebAIM?
  13. MichielBijl
    10:56
    http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/#mobile
  14. MichielBijl
    10:58
    Where could I find figures for mobile use by people? I would argue those should be very similar.
  15. zakim-robot
    11:08
    [crazycatlena] thanks a lot ! This is exactly what I was looking for
  16. powrsurg
    14:31
    Has anyone seen Eric Meyer's recent post on grid/subgrids? Would setting display: grid; on ul/li elements cause any a11y issues?
  17. garcialo
    14:33
    @powrsurg It hasn't as far as I've seen.
  18. garcialo
    14:33
    I assume that's using the CSS Grid spec, right?
  19. MichielBijl
    14:34
    @powrsurg have a link?
  20. garcialo
    14:34
    Oh, I see..you're asking specifically on ul/li element. I haven't tried that yet. Just really basic stuff.
  21. powrsurg
    14:34
    Yeah. I haven't had any experience using it. But since being here I've been learning not to try and change default display's on things like lists, or to use displays like table-cell on non-table elements
  22. powrsurg
    14:34
    meyerweb.com/eric/thoughts/2016/01/15/subgrids-considered-essential/
  23. powrsurg
    14:35
    Yeah, I meant specifically taking away those CSS values for lists
  24. garcialo
    14:35
    So, as a non-designer type I found it a lot easier to understand than other grid systems out there. Here's what I've done with it...please be kind. =p http://a11ynot.com/
  25. garcialo
    14:36
    Yeah, I wouldn't know then. I really wouldn't expect it to cause any issues.
  26. MichielBijl
    14:40
    I'd say only use an ul/ol if that is what the thing you layout on the grid would be if it wasn't a grid.
  27. MichielBijl
    14:40
    Other than that, what @garcialo said.
  28. garcialo
    14:41
    Well, what if you wanted a list of mini grid things? =p
  29. MichielBijl
    14:41
    -.-
  30. MichielBijl
    14:42
    Then the li's would be grids and the parent wouldn't ._.
  31. stevefaulkner
    14:54
    @crazycatlena there are Mobile Survey results here https://www.paciellogroup.com/mobile/ but are a few years old
  32. jnurthen
    15:40
    Ff does/did change the role based on the CSS display values. There is a bug I logged somewhere.
  33. powrsurg
    15:43
    See, I thought something like that was the case. I assume adding role attributes would get things back into the right behavior?
  34. MichielBijl
    15:45
    If FF changes the role to role="grid" it shouldn't be a problem =P
  35. jnurthen
    15:46
    I don't know if they have fixed it yet though and don't have time to research the bug at the moment.
  36. powrsurg
    15:47
    actually I guess that you're right. I was assuming it should stick with the default list role ...
  37. stevefaulkner
    15:48
    div with display:table exposes table semantics https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1007975 resolved fixed
  38. jnurthen
    15:50
    I think fantasai mentioned that she thought there was an accessibility issue with css sub grids at TPAC. I can't for the life of me remember what it was though.
  39. jnurthen
    15:51
    Thanks @stevefaulkner
  40. jnurthen
    15:55
    http://fantasai.inkedblade.net/style/discuss/subgrid-markup/
  41. stevefaulkner
    16:35
    @MichielBijl when are you in London?
  42. MichielBijl
    16:44
    22nd, but my plans changed :(
  43. MichielBijl
    16:44
    I'll be traveling directly to Oxford instead of waiting for my friend in London.
  44. stevefaulkner
    16:45
    ok no problem
  45. MichielBijl
    16:45
    On the bright side, I'll be at CSUN =)
  46. MichielBijl
    16:45
    So I can pester talk to you there.
  47. stevefaulkner
    16:46
    maybe, my presence is unknown at the moment as I have pressing personal matters which may preclude me from attendence
  48. stevefaulkner
    16:46
    but i hope things work out so i can
  49. MichielBijl
    16:47
    I hope so too!
  50. zakim-robot
    19:06
    [gregtarnoff] https://twitter.com/gregtarnoff/status/689161666513129472
  51. powrsurg
    19:08
    I know that you should use links for navigation, and buttons/forms for actions. But if you have a page that makes the user confirm that they want to join a site would you consider that an action or navigation at that point? I'm trying to decide if something like a checkout button should be a link or a button
  52. powrsurg
    19:15
    They'd be going to one page where it would either give them the item if it was free, or send them to a checkout if it's not. I'm trying to decide which is the most appropriate choice. My gut says we should have a confirm prompt and anything that should have that is an action so it should be a button, but other sites I've checked out use links
  53. zakim-robot
    19:22
    [kevinchao89] Check out should be a button, as its part of a form. It's similar to Submit button on form
  54. zakim-robot
    20:33
    [kevinchao89] @marcozehe: are you aware of the TalkBack a11y regressions in Android Firefox after V42? There has been lots of traffic on eyes-free@googlegroups.com about it
  55. MichielBijl
    22:42
    @powrsurg is it like a product page where you click buy?