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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 29th of January 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:00
    [alice] ok great :simple_smile:
  2. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:00
    [alice] (was trying to work out if that sense of "gibe" was an eggcorn)
  3. garcialo
    Jan 29 00:00
    Well, I see mostly poorly implemented examples, so maybe I'm not the best person to gauge off of =p
  4. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:00
    that is correct. Same as in OS X, Windows, et al
  5. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:01
    But err, StommePoes hates it for scrolling pageses and whatever
  6. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:01
    these are the keystrokes we implemented
  7. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:01
    http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/jsdocs/oj.ojTabs.html
  8. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:01
    (see keyboard end user information section)
  9. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:02
    [alice] @michiel are you able to point me at a specific piece of native UI that I could cite?
  10. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:03
    Windows Date and time window
  11. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:05
    In OS X pretty much all things in the Settings.app have that
  12. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:05
    @alice: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Maa73HqDsSw / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRmX-GvFeXI
  13. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:15
    [alice] @michiel Super useful, thanks!
  14. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:17
    :+1:
  15. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:35
    [alice] Ok here's a fun one for the name computation wonks among us (sadly @stevefaulkner is probably already asleep)
  16. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:36
    [alice] <label>label-wrapping-text <input id="foo" type="text" title="text-title" placeholder="text-placeholder"> </label>
  17. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:36
    [alice] what should the accessible name of #foo be?
  18. garcialo
    Jan 29 00:37
    define "should"
  19. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:39
    i was going to say it should simply be label-wrapping-text but firefox doesn't agree with me
  20. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:39
    [alice] what does FF say?
  21. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:39
    it says it is "label-wrapping-text text-placeholder"
  22. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:39
    [alice] @garcialo According to the name computation spec
  23. garcialo
    Jan 29 00:39
    Don't worry @jnurthen I agree with you.
  24. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:40
    What's the name calculation spec link again?
  25. garcialo
    Jan 29 00:41
    @MichielBijl This one, I think https://www.w3.org/TR/accname-aam-1.1/
  26. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:43
    Thanks :)
  27. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:43
    [alice] also http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/html-aam/html-aam.html#accessible-name-and-description-calculation is relevant here
  28. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:44
    IMO chrome has it right
  29. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:45
    [alice] Heh, we broke it in Chrome with the new accname code
  30. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:45
    broke or fixed?
  31. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:45
    [alice] it now includes placeholder in my local build, and possibly in Canary
  32. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:45
    i guess there is a good reason i still avoid implicit labels
  33. garcialo
    Jan 29 00:46
    We hates them so much.
  34. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:48
    [alice] Yeah I think it's wrong too
  35. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:48
    [alice] The spec isn't really explicit about what should happen for the wrapped label case
  36. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:49
    can you log a bug?
  37. zakim-robot
    Jan 29 00:50
    [alice] Steve is going to roll his eyes when he wakes up and sees me ask this, but can you ping me a link to the bug tracker again? :simple_smile:
  38. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:51
    @alice which one?
  39. jnurthen
    Jan 29 00:51
    its in the status section of the doc - https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/enter_bug.cgi?product=ARIA&component=HTML%20AAM
  40. MichielBijl
    Jan 29 00:52
    What he said ^
  41. alice
    Jan 29 01:08
    Thanks both :) bug filed.
  42. garcialo
    Jan 29 01:09
    :sparkles:
  43. MichielBijl
    09:53
    Today is off to a good start.
  44. MichielBijl
    09:53
    I like those days.
  45. MichielBijl
    13:01
    The SCN receives information from a specialised system in the eyes which senses the time of day by detecting environmental light, and synchronises the clock to local time.
  46. MichielBijl
    13:01
    http://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2013-08-30-jet-lag-study-reveals-why-time-changes-are-struggle
  47. MichielBijl
    13:02
    How would that work with blind people?
  48. MichielBijl
    13:03
    Are there still parts of the eye that are sensitive to light? (but aren't able to process shapes and the like)
  49. zakim-robot
    13:36
    [karlgroves] It depends on the type/ cause of blindness.
  50. MichielBijl
    13:37
    So folks that don't have that connection wouldn't suffer from jet lag?
  51. MichielBijl
    13:39
    I've never flown far enough to experience it, but probably will in March with CSUN and all.
  52. zakim-robot
    13:43
    [karlgroves] Some people with no light perception have difficulties year round with sleep because that natural light is unavailable to them
  53. MichielBijl
    14:12
    That actually makes more sense.
  54. MichielBijl
    14:12
    I've read a study where they concluded that the natural day cycle in homo sapiens is actually 28 hours rather than the 24 hours in a day.
  55. MichielBijl
    14:12
    Which doesn't really make sense.
  56. MichielBijl
    14:18
    Correction, I was just informed by my scientist that it was actually 24.5 hours.
  57. MichielBijl
    14:18
    Or is.
  58. stevefaulkner
    16:50
    @alice am updating some tests on placeholder to verify latest name calc implementations, have included your example, will ping once done
  59. zakim-robot
    17:04
    [alice] @stevefaulkner Great, thanks!
  60. MichielBijl
    17:06
    @stevefaulkner, if you need VO tests, give a hoot.
  61. stevefaulkner
    17:09
    thanks but have VO osx and iOS :-)
  62. MichielBijl
    17:11
    Oh
  63. MichielBijl
    17:12
    Well, Orca and Ubuntu then :P
  64. zakim-robot
    17:39
    [karlgroves] Don’t forget Lynx!
  65. MichielBijl
    18:22
    https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2014/02/doesnt-work-lynx/
  66. MichielBijl
    18:24
    ^^
  67. zakim-robot
    18:24
    [karlgroves] I don
  68. MichielBijl
    18:25
    't finish your sentences?
  69. powrsurg
    18:36
    +1
  70. MichielBijl
    18:39
    Or is it the shorter version of a teenage girl
  71. MichielBijl
    18:40
    's “I don't even”?
  72. jnurthen
    18:40
    will we ever find out?
  73. MichielBijl
    18:40
    Dun dun duuun
  74. jnurthen
    18:41
    tomorrow on a11ySlackers......
  75. MichielBijl
    18:57
    The suspense is killing me @karlgroves
  76. zakim-robot
    18:57
    [karlgroves] ?
  77. MichielBijl
    18:57
    Read up ;)
  78. zakim-robot
    18:57

    [karlgroves] MichielBijl BOT [1:22 PM]
    https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2014/02/doesnt-work-lynx/

    [1:24]
    ^^

    karlgroves [1:24 PM]
    I don’t believe a word that guy says(edited)

  79. MichielBijl
    18:58
    Ah
  80. MichielBijl
    18:58
    That edit didn't come through :P
  81. jnurthen
    18:58
    gitter doesn't have the edit
  82. MichielBijl
    18:58
    So it just said “I don” on this side.
  83. jnurthen
    18:58
    I thought it was "I donald trump"
  84. zakim-robot
    18:59
    [karlgroves] "I support Donald Trump”, said Steve Faulkner
  85. MichielBijl
    18:59
    Donald Trump's hair is the opposite of Karl's
  86. MichielBijl
    18:59
    No wait, you've grown hair agian…
  87. jnurthen
    19:00
    in that case the opposite is correct :)
  88. MichielBijl
    19:00
    Trump ungrows it?
  89. jnurthen
    19:00
    does trump have hair?
  90. MichielBijl
    19:01
    I don't know the guy well enough, but it looks like he has some yellow strands of rope on his head.
  91. MichielBijl
    19:01
    Guess you could kind of call that hair.
  92. MichielBijl
    19:01
    That could be an insult to hair around the world though…
  93. jnurthen
    19:02
    i always thought it wasn't his own - but I have no evidence for that
  94. garcialo
    19:05
    @MichielBijl @karlgroves Yeah, neither Gitter no Slack's edits make it through the pipe
  95. MichielBijl
    19:05
    @jnurthen Did you see the breakdown of his speeches?
  96. garcialo
    19:05
    I don't like when they start equating simple language with intelligence. Don't they know simple language is better for everyone?
  97. MichielBijl
    19:07
    To a certain extent.
  98. jnurthen
    19:07
    no
  99. MichielBijl
    19:07
    Besides, it's the repeated bits that bother me.
  100. MichielBijl
    19:07
    But hey, it's you guys' country…
  101. jnurthen
    19:08
    not my country :)
  102. MichielBijl
    19:08
    Just stop missing with our world ;)
  103. MichielBijl
    19:08
    :P
  104. MichielBijl
    19:08
    You're excuses James ;)
  105. jnurthen
    19:08
    i can't vote - but I can give money to Bernie :)
  106. garcialo
    19:08
    :+1:
  107. garcialo
    19:09
    @jnurthen You're not a 'Merican?
  108. MichielBijl
    19:09
    It's Gore vs. Bush all over again…
  109. MichielBijl
    19:09
    He's a briton
  110. MichielBijl
    19:09
    Or so he calims…
  111. MichielBijl
    19:09
    claims*
  112. garcialo
    19:09
    @MichielBijl it is not; Bush was liberal compared to how far right these guys are right now
  113. jnurthen
    19:09
    been here 15 years but can't bring myself to swear allegience to a flag - seems so silly
  114. MichielBijl
    19:11
    @garcialo I meant as in the guy every person outside wants to win will probably loose…
  115. MichielBijl
    19:11
    lose*
  116. MichielBijl
    19:11
    -.-
  117. garcialo
    19:11
    Oh no, he's going to win.
  118. MichielBijl
    19:13
    I would like that.
  119. MichielBijl
    19:13
    I still love that SNL skit with Gore
  120. MichielBijl
    20:01
    Has the auto timings function for YouTube captions ever worked for anyone?
  121. MichielBijl
    20:01
    Setting timings yourself is a pain, and I have a full transcript of the thing.
  122. MichielBijl
    20:02
    I want to share that skit, but the video I have doesn't come with a subtitle file. So I wrote a transcript, but need to fit that to the video…
  123. jnurthen
    20:03
    I've heard it works well but I am not allowed to load work stuff on youtube
  124. jnurthen
    20:03
    try it and see
  125. MichielBijl
    20:09
    Crap, I missed the intro -.-
  126. MichielBijl
    20:20
    Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7P-N67YdjQ
  127. MichielBijl
    20:20
    It's unlisted as I don't have the copyright to that, obviously.
  128. jnurthen
    20:20
    "This video contains content from NBC Universal, who has blocked it on copyright grounds"
  129. MichielBijl
    20:21
    -.-
  130. MichielBijl
    20:21
    That was quick
  131. MichielBijl
    20:22
    Well, that makes 20 minutes of syncing subs for nothing…
  132. jnurthen
    20:23
    practice :)
  133. MichielBijl
    20:23
    If anyone wants the video (without subs, sorry) send me an e-mail.
  134. MichielBijl
    20:32
    Or PM me, I'll send you a link. I have an .srt file for it too :)
  135. MichielBijl
    21:35
    TIL: Karl doesn't dance.
  136. zakim-robot
    22:13
    [jessebeach] Up until about 300 years ago, humans used to sleep in two blocks of time, first and second sleep. There was a time in the middle, mid-night, where you'd wake up in a half-dream state, contented and pumped full of oxytocin.
  137. MichielBijl
    22:17
    Yeap, read about that too :)
  138. MichielBijl
    22:17
    I long for those times.