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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 17th of February 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. garcialo
    Feb 17 02:37
    What's the name of the service we're using for connecting the Gitter and the Slack?
  2. jnurthen
    Feb 17 02:37
    Sameroom.io I think.
  3. garcialo
    Feb 17 02:38
    Ah yeah, that sounds right. Thanks. =)
  4. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 03:54
    [kevinchao89] Announcement works fine with mobile screen reader, but cannot interact with suggestions, as arrow keys are only option. http://output.jsbin.com/tayoso
  5. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 08:52
    @garcialo what @jnurthen said
  6. StommePoes
    Feb 17 10:46
    @kevinChao89 yeah that's a known issue with current aria-specs, very keyboard-oriented
  7. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 11:16
    Would it make sense to build a ul with JavaScript for a tab panel widget even if you will overwrite their roles with role=tab|tablist|etc?
  8. Makes sense for the data, no?
  9. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 11:17
    With backwards compatibility in mind, I'd say yes.
  10. Agreed
  11. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 11:17
    Cool, just checing.
  12. StommePoes
    Feb 17 11:50
    Michiel: I do, but now with React (since it replaces all the elements) I use a div with buttons
  13. StommePoes
    Feb 17 11:50
    but for normal PE I do a list
  14. StommePoes
    Feb 17 11:51
    I need to update that to more cooler better things
  15. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 11:51
    LongNameSpacedPearsonTestObject :')
  16. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 11:52
    I'm working on a code example for the APG.
  17. StommePoes
    Feb 17 12:08
    ok updated for more awesome
  18. StommePoes
    Feb 17 12:08
    now haz kittehs
  19. StommePoes
    Feb 17 12:09
    the LongNameSpacedPearsonTestObject is a bit of a nod to my boss's boss, who has an animate() example where she used her own animate()... before browsers made their own
  20. StommePoes
    Feb 17 12:09
    so later Chrome's version collided with hers
  21. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 12:16
    KITTEH!
  22. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 12:54
    BTW, that thing where they say Firefox is true to the OS setting is bullshit.
  23. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 12:55
    Every other browser either ignores that or has a dedicated setting.
  24. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 12:55
    Even Safari has a setting for it.
  25. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 12:55
    Mozilla is just lazy
  26. MichielBijl @MichielBijl looks in the general direction of MarcoZehe
  27. garcialo
    Feb 17 12:56
    You say "lazy," I say...
  28. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 12:57
    You say ellipses?
  29. garcialo
    Feb 17 12:58
    I'm coming up with a clever response.
  30. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 12:59
    Please hold, your witty response is very important to us, an IRC connection will be with you soon
  31. garcialo
    Feb 17 13:00
    Now you've given me posting anxiety.
  32. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:04
    Join metzessible/ACCESSIBEER and drink till it's gone :)
  33. garcialo
    Feb 17 13:05
    I'm one of those boring people that doesn't drink alcohol.
  34. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:06
    So join #weed and smoke some…
  35. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 13:06

    [karlgroves] >I'm one of those boring people that doesn't drink alcohol.

    But he does rails like he’s Pablo Escabar

  36. jkva @jkva grins
  37. garcialo
    Feb 17 13:07
    Hah
  38. you say "lazy" I say "lousy"?
  39. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:11
    Well, the setting is available in about:config
  40. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:11
    Just not in the GUI
  41. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:12
    As in you can add “accessibility.tabfocus=7” to it
  42. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:12
    I'd use Firefox over Chrome/Safari if it wasn't for it's UI.
  43. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:38
    God I suck at JavaScript…
  44. w0t's wrong?
  45. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:38
    I think my logic module broke
  46. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:39
    Maybe if I insert more java it'll work
  47. Pastebin somewhere?
  48. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:39
    I'll put it on github in a bit
  49. 1337
  50. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:50
    Can anybody tell me why Chrome fires a click event when I press tab?
  51. On which target?
  52. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:50
    Never mind, happens everywhere. I really have to put this shit up :P
  53. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 13:59
    Still work in progress of course: http://michielbijl.github.io/tabpanel/app/
  54. Ah, your problem is not enough jquery
  55. I have a team meeting, will have a look after ;)
  56. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:00
    If you tab through the tabs, it automatically switches tabs, which is not supposed to happen.
  57. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:00
    Thanks.
  58. StommePoes
    Feb 17 14:31
    Yeah and... you're not supposed to be able to tab through the tabs... I don't see, did you set tabindex to -1 on all the focusables except the current one?
  59. StommePoes
    Feb 17 14:31
    that doesn't solve the "set the next one to current" but it stops me from tabbing from one to another
  60. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:32
    Yeah already did that (not int the online version though)
  61. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:32
    I'm building both for the CSUN thing.
  62. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:32
    But figured I'd start with the difficult one.
  63. StommePoes
    Feb 17 14:39
    It's hard to debug, because I cannot have 2 separate focusses at once :(
  64. StommePoes
    Feb 17 14:39
    Something I would like devtool developers to fix
  65. StommePoes
    Feb 17 14:39
    so I can only watch tabbing to the first one, ever, because as soon as I step through, my focus is no longer on the original spot on the page
  66. StommePoes
    Feb 17 14:39
    however you do a lot of stuff when my keyCode is 9
  67. StommePoes
    Feb 17 14:40
    you should be doing nothing with that
  68. StommePoes
    Feb 17 14:40
    as in, if keycode isn't an arrow, then just cancel the whole thing (so the next natural focusable gets focus, which should be the next thing outside the tabs)
  69. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:54
    Yeap, fixed that.
  70. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:55
    Yous can now uses arrows, and tab toos the tab panel
  71. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:55
    JavaScript is probably still crap…
  72. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:57
    And I need to implement the ctrl+page up stuff…
  73. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 14:57
    Not sure that is even going to work…
  74. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:02
    What does ctrl+pgup do?
  75. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:02
    I don't know that you can successfully and without error always detect ctrl cross-OS, can you?
  76. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:03
    Not sure either.
  77. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:03
    I wonder if I should try to write my tab_panel using newer JS instead of the little lib I have to make stuff work in older IE.
  78. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:03
    When focus is inside of a tab panel, pressing Control+PageUp moves focus to the tab of the previous tab in the tab list and activates that tab.
  79. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:03
    Oeh, we could do a collab.
  80. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:03
    My CSS with your supertastic JS
  81. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:04
    Is there an advantage to a user to ever use the more-than-1-key approach over the 1-key-approach? That is, is there a reason specs mention the ctrl pgup/down
  82. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:04
    My CSS is based on PE though, you start out with the roles (which is probably better for a widget demo because it can focus on what the widget needs to do)
  83. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:04
    Dunno, didn't write that bit
  84. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:04
    Oh, yeah, I need to do some mobile styles too…
  85. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:05
    Or just disable tabs on mobile…
  86. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:05
    Wanted to cover the basics first.
  87. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:06
    You could PE it and listen for screens being x-wide before letting JS do stuff...
  88. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:06
    Selecting siblings in JavaScript is a pain in the ass
  89. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:06
    My thought exactly.
  90. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:06
    What I do: when I'm getting my tabs, I set a prev and next
  91. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:06
    Just don't do anything below 40em's or something.
  92. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:07
    How do you do that?
  93. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:07
    those are conditionals: either it's this tab's position -1, or if we're already at the beginning, it's the last item... etc
  94. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:07
    init: function() {
    var tablist=Basis.getElementsByClass('tabs')[0],
    tab_lis=Basis.realArray(tablist.getElementsByTagName('LI')),
    last=PO.tabs[PO.length-1];
  95. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:07
    Hmm, yeah that makes sense
  96. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:07
    so here, when I'm getting the very basics, at the start of my function, I just set a "last" var because that's easy
  97. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:07
    then when going through the tabs...
  98. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:07
    I have
    function getSibling (event, direction) {     var tab = event.currentTarget;     var parent = tab.parentNode;     var sibling = null;      // nodeType === 1 is a element_node     switch (direction) {       case 'next':         sibling = parent.nextSibling;          while (sibling != null && sibling.nodeType != 1) {           sibling = sibling.nextSibling;         };          break;       case 'prev':         sibling = parent.previousSibling;          while (sibling != null && sibling.nodeType != 1) {           sibling = sibling.previousSibling;         };          break;     };      if (sibling != null) {       return sibling.querySelector('[role="tab"]');     };   };
    
  99. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:08
    for(var i=0;i<PO.length;i++) { var tab=PO.tabs[i], prev=(i>0)?PO.tabs[i-1]:last,
    next=(i<PO.length-1)?PO.tabs[i+1]:PO.tabs[0];
  100. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:08
    But that obviously sucks…
  101. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:08
    yeah so take advantage of the fact that you've got an array of items
  102. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:08
    well, I turn thm into an array
  103. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:08
    I should just get a list of all role=tab's and work with that…
  104. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:08
    that's what my realArray func does, turns nodelists into arrays
  105. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:08
    does querySelectorAll give you a node list or array?
  106. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:08
    [].slice(nodeList)?
  107. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:09
    non live nodeList
  108. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:09
    actually... I can't remember why I needed an array
  109. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:09
    I'm not push()ing or pull()ing anything
  110. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:10
    I might've been able to do it with just the nodelist.
  111. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:10
    I don't think array.slice works in IE?
  112. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:10
    or did it
  113. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:10
    I'll look into tomorrow, have been on this since 10 this morning. Time for something else :)
  114. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:10
    coffee
  115. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:10
    IE8 no
  116. MichielBijl @MichielBijl starts KSP
  117. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:10
    ok all my stuff is based on ancient IEs though I haven't tested any of this in 6, 7 or 8 actually
  118. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:11
    anyway you can pick through my JS anytime
  119. StommePoes
    Feb 17 15:11
    questions, ask.
  120. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 15:14
    My JS isn't advanced enough to understand all that :P
  121. powrsurg
    Feb 17 15:21
    you need to support IE6 and 7 still?
  122. powrsurg
    Feb 17 15:23
    scrolling up (I was away all of yesterday with PC issues) ... that wouldn't support getElementsByClassName as that was added in IE9
  123. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:41
    [marcysutton] Hi @catherine.meade!
  124. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:41
    [devonpersing] Hey folks! Any Seattle area a11y peeps interested in talking to some Green River students? They're doing a meetup in Kent on software for social good on March 10, and unfortunately I'm unable to attend. They'd love for someone to give a quick chat and Q&A on common accessibility issues and questions. Hit me up if you're interested, and I can introduce you to the organizer!
  125. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:41
    [catherine.meade] hey!
  126. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:41
    [marcysutton] @devonpersing: I’ll be in SF for Fluent otherwise I would :
  127. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:42
    [devonpersing] @marcysutton: yeah, I've got evening meetings that day. Thursdays/conference season startup is hard. :disappointed:
  128. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:42
    [marcysutton] yeah :disappointed: teaching occupies my Wednesdays right now.
  129. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:42
    [devonpersing] oh, also the URL is http://www.meetup.com/Kent-Station-Web-Mobile-Developers/events/228351231/ which might be helpful.
  130. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:42
    [marcysutton] but awesome :simple_smile:
  131. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:43
    [devonpersing] yay teaching @marcysutton !
  132. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 17:58
    [fstorr] Think I’ve found a bug with VoiceOver, aria-assertive and aria-atomic. I have a screenreader only <div> that’s set to aria-live=“assertive” and aria-atomic=“false”. I’m appending content to the <div> and VoiceOver (on latest El Cap) announces the content of the entire <div>, rather than just the what was added. Looking at https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/aria-practices/#liveprops this doesn’t seem to be correct. Or am I missing something?
  133. jnurthen
    Feb 17 18:07
    @MichielBijl I'm pretty certain we will drop the ctrl+pgup/down for tabs.... Browsers use that for switching their own tabs and it doesn't seem polite to steal it.
  134. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 18:08
    Could still build it for the user testing thing.
  135. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:09
    @fstorr demo code?
  136. fstorr
    Feb 17 18:10
    @stevefaulkner I'll have to mock something new up and post it. Gimme a bit and I'll get to it.
  137. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:12
    @fstorr sure and FYI http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html is current ARIA authoring practices doc
  138. fstorr
    Feb 17 18:15
    @stevefaulkner thanks for the link :) <rant type="minor">I wish the W3C would clear up the documents they have. There are too many out of date, poorly-labelled ones.</rant>
  139. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:15
    agreed
  140. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 18:21
    [deborah_kaplan] yeah, just stamping DEPRECATED on all the documents which are formally out of date would be so useful. Ideally shutting down resources which weren't maintained, etc.
  141. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:24
  142. powrsurg
    Feb 17 18:27
    I wouldn't shut stuff down. It's useful to see what was said in the past. But you definitely need a link to new stuff and mentions of deprecation
  143. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 18:29
    [deborah_kaplan] I do have to wonder, if the w3c were slightly less chary of invited expert status, if they could get volunteers (well-trained in procedure, managed by staff, the usual etc.) who would happily help out with this kind of website farming. I totally see what Janina says in that thread, @stevefaulkner, about the risk of holding up documents for even more process, but the tech world is chock-full of happy, hard-working volunteers (eg all of FOSS).
  144. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 18:29
    [deborah_kaplan] well, some of FOSS.
  145. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:31
    invited expert status is a crock
  146. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 18:32
    [deborah_kaplan] as an invited expert, I respectfully ... agree. :D
  147. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:32
    its not this sort of thing that would hold up documents,
  148. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:33
    all i got from that discussion on the list was that people always find reasons not to do the sane thing
  149. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:35
    i spent a considerable amount of time disabusing people about stale specs
  150. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 18:40
    @deborah_kaplan yeah I spent most of my w3c life as an invited expert...
  151. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 18:44
    [deborah_kaplan] I am bemused by wondering if linux or apache (or, perforce, the web) or the red cross would exist if their rule was "you can volunteer to give us loads of your free time, but unless your employer shells out tens of thousands of dollars a year, we will only MAYBE let you volunteer for us."
  152. powrsurg
    Feb 17 19:01
    I doubt it, but does anyone know of any accessible, cross-browser desktop recording with conferencing and a canvas that lets someone write or draw anything they want?
  153. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 19:02
    [jdan] is anyone here familiar with accessible graphing calculators? or, more generally, teaching the concept of "graphing equations" to blind students?
  154. powrsurg
    Feb 17 19:02
    we've been looking at BigBlueButton ( http://bigbluebutton.org/ ) but that is pre-1.0
  155. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 19:03
    [jdan] Khan Academy has a "hack week" coming up and I'd like to experiment with making some of our more visual exercises accessible to blind learners.
  156. powrsurg
    Feb 17 19:03
    Google at least used to do complex graphs in desktop. I never looked into the accessiblity of it though
  157. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:04
    @powrsurg "getElementsByClassName as that was added in IE9" I made my own
  158. powrsurg
    Feb 17 19:05
    https://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&q=sin%28x%29 look at what google does here ..
  159. powrsurg
    Feb 17 19:06
    was yours somehow a nodelist, or just an array?
  160. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:09
    array
  161. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:12
    I read a PDF written by two blind/low vision statistics teachers about teaching statistics to the blind and specifically things like charts and graphs. It was just online but I don't know if I downloaded it.
  162. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:17
    Nope, don't seem to have it. I had twotted it on Twitter, but it was long-enough ago that it would be hard to find.
  163. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:39
    looks like it
  164. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:39
    sorry was out buyingbeer
  165. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:39
    s/buyingbeer/buying beer
  166. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:40
    ha I had tweeted the table with Adobe listed as "Good for..." and "Nothing."
  167. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:41
    Anyway some of what they say would pertain to graphs in general and so even graphing calculators. Though I can ask a friend what he used in school
  168. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:45
    for @jdan
  169. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:50
    "There's only one in software, audio graphing calculator from viewplus. Costs like $500, very lame but works. There's one in hardware from APH, also about $500, used it for 5 mins and thought it was really crappy. No good solutions afaik. But they both get the job done technically." @jdan this is from a recently de-studented (graduated last year) CS student.
  170. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 19:59
    [jdan] @StommePoes thank you!
  171. StommePoes
    Feb 17 19:59
    That PDF Steve linked to is quite good
  172. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 19:59
    [jdan] I'm wondering how well blind students learn graphing with audio cues vs. something tactile like a physical parabola model or something
  173. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 19:59
    [jdan] I'll give the PDF a read :simple_smile:
  174. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:00
    even though they focus somewhat on statistics, the stuff about graphs and other visualisations is good.
  175. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 20:00
    [jdan] thank you @stevefaulkner!
  176. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:01
    As one of the authors points out, for a totally-blind-from-birth student, the 3-D modelling may come with some unexpected issues. The one instructor says he didn't realise at first that when viewing a solid cube that sighted people could only see part of it at any given time-- since physically, it can be accessed on all sides at once.
  177. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:01
    Also, @shepazu did some demo/experimental things with audio charts using the Web Audio API
  178. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:01
    as an idea.
  179. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:02
    The issue I run into regularly (so far) is teachers using the visual stuff for the student to show what they know, and what I liked about the PDF is, this case is mentioned. You can't describe the thing visually without giving away the answer, so usually something completely different needs to be thought up to test the student's knowledge.
  180. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 20:32
    [jdan] @StommesPoes yeah :disappointed: at Khan Academy we have exercises for children like "which item is bigger?"
  181. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 20:32
    [jdan] where it just shows two pictures, one of which is physically bigger than the other
  182. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 20:32
    [jdan] so we've experimented with allowing learners to specify under their account settings that they should not see these "visual exercises" - but we have not invested a lot of thought into it
  183. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 20:33
    [jdan] lots and lots of exercises containing images without good alt text. we've written up nice guides, but still LOTS of work to do
  184. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:34
    hm yeah
  185. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:34
    I was given some SVG-based charts where, as the student changes values in a little control box on the side, the graph changes
  186. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:34
    And if the student was supposed to get specific feedback from that visual change, then I suggested something entirely different would have to probably be designed for the totally blind.
  187. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:35
    What's probably a good thing for Khan to do is
    • ensure it all works with keyboard
      -ensure if there are controls or questions in one area and the visual changes in another, that it can make sense to someone with screen magnification
      -super contrast
  188. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:36
    I mean, of the whole blind/low-vision group in general, you'll generally have a lot more students who have a strong vision impairment than being totally blind.
  189. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:36
    So if you end up deciding that the only thing for the totally-blind to do is something completely separate to teach the topic, don't let that stop making the current one as accessible to the visually impaired.
  190. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:36
    screen mag is actually sometimes a real problem
  191. StommePoes
    Feb 17 20:37
    Sometimes the only solution I can think of is if the student can drag the control panel over to be right next to the graph part they are manipulating, so they can arrange it as sensibly as they can and try to see "changes as the controls change"
  192. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 20:59
    [deborah_kaplan] is it possible to poke into someone else's ios app to see why something is misbehaving? More specifically, I was using voiceover to access something on The Guardian's native iOS app, and got to a video player for which the alt text for the play button seems to alternate (depending on toggle state) between "sunrise over mountain pictorial card" and "umbrella with raindrops," and the mute button seems to alternate between "shortcake" and something I can't make out.
  193. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 20:59
    [deborah_kaplan] I mean, I assume this is just terrible label text, but it is just so terrible, I want to believe that it is something else weird happening. Instead of just having button labels that got randomly populated from instagram.
  194. jnurthen
    Feb 17 21:58
    They are probably using iconic fonts with unicode characters underneath them. Apple is using those same characters for emoji. As such VO says the emoji rather than the icon which is specified
  195. jnurthen
    Feb 17 21:59
    U+1F304 = "sunrise over mountains"
  196. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:00
    U+2614 = "umbrella with raindrops"
  197. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:00
    U+1F370 = "shortcake"
  198. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:03
    :sunrise_over_mountains: :umbrella: :cake:
  199. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:08
    DEATH TO ICON FONTS
  200. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:08
    but why :)
  201. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:09
    pile of smiling poo is why
  202. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:09
    but there is nothing adequate to use instead. What is the better solution and don't say SVG as that has its own issues
  203. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:09
    💩
  204. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:10
    Good ol' gifs :P
  205. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:10
    No, my answer would have been SVG.
  206. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:10
    but you can't theme those easily. In order to apply css to them they have to be inline and then you get theming issues
  207. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:10
    icon fonts simplify that considerably
  208. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:11
    That is true, so we need a mechanism to simplify it for SVG's
  209. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:12
    And for those that don't read the editors meeting minutes: https://twitter.com/MichielBijl/status/700026188694228992
  210. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:12
    I proposed moving to SVGs to one of our groups based on previous conversations and was convinced by them that it doesn't work
  211. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:12
    I'll have to further my research, but am sure there must be a way to make it work.
  212. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:13
    Anyway, time for some QI :)
  213. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 22:13
    [deborah_kaplan] WOW
  214. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 22:13
    [deborah_kaplan] that's amazing
  215. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:14
    QI? Yes quite.
  216. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:14
    to fix their fonts they could probably just add a label to the buttons and things would work great.
  217. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 22:14
    [deborah_kaplan] I wondered, jnurthen
  218. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:14
    what is QI?
  219. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 22:14
    [deborah_kaplan] I'll file a bug. ;)
  220. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:15
    You're not really British are you James :P
  221. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:15
    It's been on the air since 2003: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QI
  222. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:15
    it hasn't made it to british TV but it sounds like it should probably go in my download queue
  223. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:15
    I have been in the US since 1999
  224. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:15
    Hmm
  225. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:16
    It's on BBC, pretty sure that's British :P
  226. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:16
    I have spent a grand total of 15 days in the UK since then
  227. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 22:16
    [deborah_kaplan] I just came back from visiting relatives in the uk this week and we played the QI board game. My Stephen Fry imitation is terrible
  228. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:16
    I have been in India for longer!
  229. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:16
    @jnurthen, fair enough.
  230. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:16
    Pretty sure I've been in the UK more since 1999
  231. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:17
    that is highly likely.
  232. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 22:17
    [deborah_kaplan] I have spent enough time in the UK that the US red cross thinks I have BSE and won't take my blood, and my sister spends enough time in the US that the UK red cross thinks she has west nile and won't take her blood. #transatlantic-family-woes
  233. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:18
    ahhh - they won't take my blood either. Still getting blood drawn makes me faint so probably doesn't change much for me - other than giving me a really good excuse.
  234. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 22:20
    [deborah_kaplan] I did pass out, once. It was my fault, really, but they were quite freaked out.
  235. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:21
    I've never given blood :/
  236. MichielBijl
    Feb 17 22:21
    Also, don't know which blood type I am…
  237. jnurthen
    Feb 17 22:22
    I'm not sure what type I am either. My wife thinks that is really weird that I don't know.
  238. fstorr
    Feb 17 23:01
    @stevefaulkner Here you go: http://codepen.io/fstorr/full/rxbZyG/ I think I've documented it fully.
  239. stevefaulkner
    Feb 17 23:02
    @fstorr ok will look on the morrow about to hit the sack
  240. zakim-robot
    Feb 17 23:09
    [som] does anyone know of any ANT+ cycling apps for low-vision?
  241. fstorr
    Feb 17 23:17
    @stevefaulkner NP. And thanks :)
  242. jnurthen
    Feb 17 23:18
    @fstorr have you logged it with Apple?
  243. jnurthen
    Feb 17 23:19
    as I said I noticed the exact same thing on one of our live chat apps the other day - didn't get a chance to log it though.
  244. fstorr
    Feb 17 23:21
    @jnurthen not yet—I only came across it this morning, spent the time investigating it, and now have to catch up with everything else. If Steve comes back and says I'm right and haven't mis-read the spec, then I will log it.
  245. jnurthen
    Feb 17 23:28
    @fstorr Does this example show the same issue for you?
  246. jnurthen
    Feb 17 23:28
    (This also has a problem in latest JAWS with FF - it was a testcase created for FS not apple)
  247. fstorr
    Feb 17 23:32
    @jnurthen yep, same issue.
  248. jnurthen
    Feb 17 23:43
    @fstorr that is good :apple:
  249. jnurthen
    Feb 17 23:43
    and yes - I have discovered the gitter emoji cheat sheet - http://www.emoji-cheat-sheet.com/