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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 28th of March 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 03:25
    [mlockrey] @michiel: just in response to your musing, "imagine if YouTube required captions to upload a video" - a good proactive step in the meantime that would have huge a11y outcomes would be to ask for a text transcript whilst waiting for a video to upload
  2. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 03:26
    [mlockrey] Also imagine if whilst waiting, content owners were given the first 15-30 seconds of auto craptions, and asked to correct / review / edit these while they wait?
  3. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 03:27
    [mlockrey] Simple, practical UX measures that would generate huge a11y outcomes
  4. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 07:12
    [jitendra] @juryjowns: if <button> is outside form do we need type=button ?
  5. @juryjowns: The default state is to submit a form, which only makes sense if the button has a form associated. Using the default does not break anything, but I personally prefer to be explicit.

    But to answer your actual question, no, you don't need it.

  6. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 08:40
    [jitendra] @jkva - ok
  7. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 10:46
    [jitendra] What would be the accessible version of social sharing icons?
  8. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 10:47
    [jitendra] Should I keep icons visuals in CSS background or inline <img> ?
  9. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 10:47
    [jitendra] Are social media website’s icons part of the content?
  10. stevefaulkner
    Mar 28 10:54
    @jitendra - the icons are the visual labels for controls right? as long as they have an accessible name (label) as well as the visual labels then the method you use to provide them is up to you.
  11. powrsurg
    Mar 28 13:23
    Am I the only one that uses generated content for icons so that they'll work in WHC mode?
  12. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 13:30
    [karlgroves] @powrsurg: have you actually verified that it works in HCM?
  13. powrsurg
    Mar 28 13:30
    yes
  14. powrsurg
    Mar 28 13:30
    it's annoying to turn HCM on in Windows 7, but I've done it for our icons
  15. Haha, I can put required on a <input type="checkbox"> and it gets announced as such
  16. Also on <button>
  17. Time to make a spreadsheet for all types
  18. garcialo
    Mar 28 13:32
    @jkva Couldn't you have a required checkbox in order to successfully complete a form?
  19. Good point!
  20. Yeah, that's a valid use case. Nice one
  21. garcialo
    Mar 28 13:32
    The button one is a little silly though
  22. Yeah
  23. I can also put it on a single radio
  24. garcialo
    Mar 28 13:35
    Yeah, less of a case for that one. =p
  25. OSX Yosemite:

    • Firefox 44: text required --> 'required'
    • Chrome 49: text required --> 'required invalid data'
    • Safari 9: text required --> 'required'

    WTF, Chrome

  26. aria-required='true'does the right thing for all browsers, though
  27. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 14:09

    [juryjowns] @jitendra @jkva I agree, you don’t need it, but it certainly won’t hurt :) Especially if you’re doing a UI pattern where you’re not sure where someone might plug that button in to your code (like @marcysutton mentioned earlier) .

    I did run into VO announcing buttons outside of a form as a form element awhile back… now I’m wondering if I’d set the type=button if it would have announced it correctly.

  28. jasonday
    Mar 28 14:18
    Hi All
  29. jasonday
    Mar 28 14:19
    Anyone have some good examples of an accessibility policy within the private sector (non higher ed, etc.)?
  30. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 14:34
    [juryjowns] From Geico’s policy: “Our site employs CSS (Cascading Style Sheets), an approach that is often helpful to screen-readers.” Wow!
  31. jasonday
    Mar 28 14:37
    that's what made me chuckle.
  32. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 14:40
    [juryjowns] @jasonday Yeah, that’s pretty sadly funny. When you mentioned it, I was hoping it was going to be really well done AND funny . That would have been pretty awesome for them.
  33. jasonday
    Mar 28 14:40
    good branding opportunity.
  34. jasonday
    Mar 28 14:41
    Target's is a commitment statement, but I'm looking more at internal policy. Higher ed does this well, but my guess is that private sector companies are less likely to have a policy published
  35. jasonday
    Mar 28 14:42
    Which I get. We are going to be publishing an a11y statement as well, but unlikely to share our internal policy
  36. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 14:44
    [juryjowns] I know Salesforce has a good published design pattern. A quick google search brought up what could be a good accessibility policy: http://www.salesforce.com/company/legal/508_accessibility.jsp
  37. jasonday
    Mar 28 14:44
    good find. Thanks
  38. jasonday
    Mar 28 15:07
    @jnurthen - thanks!
  39. jnurthen
    Mar 28 15:09
    There is also a quote from our ceo which I don't see on that site but is certainly public.
  40. jnurthen
    Mar 28 15:09
    I'll try to dig it out once I get the kids off to school/camp
  41. Hey @jnurthen, was nice to see you at CSUN, albeit shortly =)
  42. jnurthen
    Mar 28 16:14
    great to see you too @jkva although it was very brief.
  43. jnurthen
    Mar 28 16:15
    @jasonday The quote I mentioned is in our corporate citizenship report https://www.oracle.com/corporate/citizenship/open-computing/accessibility.html
    We find it very helpful particularly when talking to teams internally who are being difficult.
  44. powrsurg
    Mar 28 16:56
    I'm surprised Target doesn't have a thorough statement given the lost a class action lawsuit over their bad accessibility
  45. jasonday
    Mar 28 17:51
    @powrsurg - their statement isn't bad: http://www.target.com/c/accessibility-ways-to-shop/-/N-4ynq1#?lnk=fnav_t_spc_1_21, I was just looking more for policies of the private sector
  46. @stevefaulkner @sideshowbarker @TzviyaSiegman @jeankap Sorry about my slow response. I went into hiding after posting ;-)
  47. @sideshowbarker I can't say what Ojan might think. But I think you're right that there are enough people on all isdes interested in figuring out how to make life easier for math layout and semantics on the web.
  48. @[jeankap] most happy to shout out!!!
  49. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 20:53
    [jessebeach] Has anyone else noticed that aria-labelledby is broken in Chrome and Safari using VoiceOver in Yosemite? http://codepen.io/jessebeach/pen/vGZqgj
  50. zakim-robot
    Mar 28 21:18
    [jessebeach] Logged against Chromium: https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=598417