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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 31st of March 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. StommePoes
    Mar 31 07:59
    @pkra pro-MathML guy replied to you, did you sees? https://twitter.com/jsutt/status/715324835241402368
  2. StommePoes
    Mar 31 08:03
    oh, I see Steve twotted it
  3. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 08:28
    [joop] Cool (finally): https://blog.twitter.com/2016/accessible-images-for-everyone
  4. StommePoes
    Mar 31 09:05
    I still need to use easychirp if I want to add alt
  5. StommePoes
    Mar 31 09:05
    accessible images... if you use a mobile phone of one of 2 operating systems
  6. StommePoes
    Mar 31 09:05
    so, eagerly awaiting the spread to the rest
  7. pkra
    Mar 31 09:09
    @StommePoes thanks. He also sent me an email. Former boss of mine, actually. Only skimmed it and didn't see much in there. Will read more carefully when I get the chance.
  8. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 10:50
    [karlgroves] @jkva @StommePoes @michiel After a quick walk around Amsterdam I see what you mean. The German reference to the Dutch being kassekopfe is entirely unfounded.
  9. jkva
    Mar 31 10:51
    @karlgroves Dutch cheese best cheese
  10. jkva
    Mar 31 10:52
    @karlgroves You've been in AMS before, no?
  11. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 10:52
    [karlgroves] Nope. First time
  12. jkva
    Mar 31 10:53
    Sweet. Enjoy =) try some local craft beer
  13. jkva
    Mar 31 10:53
    There's a great pub called "In de Wildeman"
  14. jkva
    Mar 31 10:53
    But not sure where you are right now
  15. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 10:53
    [karlgroves] You mean Dutch beer isn’t just Heinekin and Amstel?
  16. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 10:53
    [karlgroves] I think they refer to this as city center?
  17. jkva
    Mar 31 10:54
    Heheh. "What do you see around you"
    "Bicycles and high tourists"
    "Yeah, city center"
  18. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 10:54
    [karlgroves] lol
  19. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 10:55
    [karlgroves] TIL there are two types of coffee shops. One type offers coffee.
  20. jkva
    Mar 31 10:55
    Surely you knew this? Some offer both, too =)
  21. jkva
    Mar 31 10:56
    Ok so I'm guessing you're close to the Sexmuseum. Head south...
  22. jkva
    Mar 31 10:56
    https://goo.gl/maps/WZ5yaHKukFP2
  23. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 10:56
    [karlgroves] Yes. I knew. I expected both to offer good coffee! ;) It didn’t take me long before I walked past a group of young American girls huddled around a joint like they were getting away with something
  24. jkva
    Mar 31 10:56
    Haha
  25. jkva
    Mar 31 10:56
    So edgy!
  26. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 10:57
    [karlgroves] Here’s where I am https://goo.gl/maps/4RLXLdhW9V62
  27. jkva
    Mar 31 10:58
    Ah, the area to your west is nice
  28. jkva
    Mar 31 10:59
    Lots of little art stores & stuff
  29. jkva
    Mar 31 10:59
    If you're looking for good MJ, "Dampkring" is a good coffee shop
  30. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 11:00
    [karlgroves] googles for how far away Dampkring is
  31. jkva
    Mar 31 11:01
    I'm still expecting a good talk tomorrow! ;)
  32. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 11:01
    [karlgroves] shit
  33. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:20
    And we're hoping to be able to have a quick drink afterwards as well
  34. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:20
    however it's possible it doesn't work out due to the usual what happens after conferences, so we ought to have a backup plan to get you some good, locally-baked stroopwafels
  35. jkva
    Mar 31 11:20
    Yeah, not gonna drag Scotch&Stroopwafels all the way there for nothing
  36. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:20
    locally-baked in Sliedrecht
  37. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:20
    4.20 for 1 pack!
  38. jkva
    Mar 31 11:21
    Whelp, there goes this month's mortgage ;)
  39. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:21
    You can buy a whole loaf of bread for 95 cents but a pack stroopwafels is expensive
  40. jkva
    Mar 31 11:21
    THey're good though
  41. jkva
    Mar 31 11:22
    SOmetimes the supermarket has a guy making them in the store, the smell alone gives you the beetus
  42. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:22
    BTW Karl be aware Amsterdam is like NYC: not an excellent representation of the country it's in
  43. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:22
    "oh mah beetus is shore actin up today!"
  44. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 11:23

    [karlgroves] “Karl be aware Amsterdam is like NYC”

    NYC is a perfect representation of the US. NYC thinks it is the center of the universe and so does the US. ;)

    Yes, I’ve seen plenty of pictures of the rest of the Netherlands and really want to explore other places. Wish I had more time.

  45. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 11:24
    Karl, you're welcome to crash here tomorrow ;)
  46. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 11:25
    [karlgroves] You have a cat though, right?
  47. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 11:25
    THree.
  48. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 11:25
    [karlgroves] I’ll pass. I’m super allergic to cats
  49. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 11:25
    So all your stuff will smell like cats and cat shit and stuff
  50. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:26
    Karl you'll need to check out Marco Zehe's cats, they're basically cat labradoodles so his allergic wife could have cats... see how you react to them
  51. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:26
    (they DO have fur)
  52. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 11:27
    [karlgroves] My ex-wife had a hairless cat. Once you adjust to how weird they look they’re actually pretty cool and did not trigger my allergies.
  53. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:28
    devon rex?
  54. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:29
    sphinx/
  55. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:29
    ?
  56. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:29
    https://twitter.com/stommepoes/status/610495255851442176 this I sent to Marcy last year
  57. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:31
    The worst thing about hairless cats is how much they want you to pet them. (shivver)
  58. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 11:33
    [karlgroves] lol
  59. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:35
    I did a talk on the Sphinx search engine and decorated my slides with funky photos of those things. People remembered the slides months later ("it had those creepy cats!")
  60. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 11:39
    [karlgroves] Its always good to be memorable. ;)
  61. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:40
    http://stommepoes.nl/Sphinx/domcode/img/whatthehell.jpg (alt=woman: check it oooout man: What the hell is that?!? woman: It's... it's a cat. Man: Why is it inside out?!?)
  62. StommePoes
    Mar 31 11:41
    s/man/Man
  63. jkva
    Mar 31 11:51
    Where cat == sphinx_cat
  64. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 11:59
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fl6Ke0I5gGA
  65. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:00
    (don't try the craptions)
  66. jkva
    Mar 31 12:12

    A man in Laholm, Hallan County in Sweden was reported to police because he farted after the woman he was with denied to have sex with him.

    She reported the incident to the local police saying that his “revenge fart” disturbed her peace of mind.

    The man and the woman, whose names were not released to the public, had talked of having sex in a different occasion, but they are not in a relationship. According to the woman, the man visited her in her house with the desire to have sex with her. When she refused to indulge him, he simply farted and left.

    “It smelled very bad in my flat,” the woman said in her police report.

    The police spokesperson said that they had an obligation to check if criminal actions were involved. But the incident was not investigated further. The news just made it to the local papers.

    rëvënge fårt?

  67. jkva
    Mar 31 12:12
    That's approaching "Florida man" material
  68. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:13
    [karlgroves] rëvënge fårt FTW
  69. jkva
    Mar 31 12:14
    “It smelled very bad in my flat,” the woman said in her police report.
  70. jkva
    Mar 31 12:14
    comedy gold
  71. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:15
    But so this was apparently a very accessible fart
  72. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:15
    so what's the issue
  73. jkva
    Mar 31 12:15
    Not accessible for people who can't smell, I guess?
  74. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:15
    no olfactory-impaired were present
  75. jkva
    Mar 31 12:15
    Although a good fart can be kinda chewy
  76. jkva
    Mar 31 12:16
    Someday I'll regret this all being logged
  77. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:16
    http://media.urbandictionary.com/image/page/chewy-56778.jpg
  78. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:17
    [karlgroves] If it had an audio alternative to the smell, I’d call it accessible
  79. jkva
    Mar 31 12:17
    "So, mr Van Achterberg, we at The Paciello Group take ourselves very seriously. We found some unacceptable things you've said in these gitter logs, we can't hire people like you, they destroy our work ethic"
    "I swear Mike I didn't mean it that way ;O;"
  80. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:18
    TPG has been stocking up on people in recent year or two
  81. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:19
    Mike is building his army
  82. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:19
    Someone should've taken a photo of him in the polo
  83. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:19
    [karlgroves] Feh that’s what Photoshop is for
  84. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:20
    Meh, but then you might as well photoshop him into a Hawaiian shirt and flip-flops
  85. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:20
    The polo in real life is more extreme
  86. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:21
    goddamn this website's keyboarding is so very fucking annoying http://9292.nl/
  87. jkva
    Mar 31 12:21
    Yeah, I've asked them to fix it :(
  88. jkva
    Mar 31 12:21
    Even directed them to the spec
  89. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:21
    It was worse when they had the cookie warning popup and there was no way to get to it at all. I bitched on twitter and a few weeks later they moved focus to it, but the rest of the site is still sad pandas
  90. jkva
    Mar 31 12:21
    From Fabrique / Q42 I would really expect better
  91. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:21
    People have offerered to fix it FOR them
  92. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:21
    for FREE.
  93. jkva
    Mar 31 12:22
    I'll drive over there to rëvënge fårt :angry:
  94. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:23
    [karlgroves] Forget a11y lawsuits! rëvënge fårts!
  95. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:24
    I could honestly see that working better.
  96. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:24
    lawsuits take time and money. rëvënge fårten are quick and dirty
  97. jkva
    Mar 31 12:24
    "Why are you all on a high-protein diet?!"
  98. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:25
    "Vee kahnt klap owr hahns togezzer, vee ahr strongmannen, Hans und Frans!"
  99. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:25
    [karlgroves] rëvënge fårts as a service
  100. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:25
    We can ask Lainey for advice
  101. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:26
    BTW any day now I should be getting some Freedom Scientific sharks in the mail
  102. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:26
    Job's was eaten by a dog
  103. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:26
    They looked cool. Then I want Joanie/Igalia to get someone to make Orcas.
  104. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:26
    Which brings us to Mick and Jamie... they need an ozzie mascot.
  105. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:27
    Like the NVDA Dropbear or something.
  106. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:30
    psyched to see the live transcription at the Fronteers event
  107. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:30
    Unfortunately Darice couldn't come to the event
  108. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:30
    [karlgroves] That reminds me, I need to tell them the proper spelling of rëvënge fårt
  109. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:30
    You mean...
  110. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:30
    it's getting added to a slide?
  111. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:31
    Web perf through better rëvënge fårten
  112. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:31
    [karlgroves] With an asterisk to cite Job as the source. ;)
  113. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:33
    I don't need my other half referred to as the source of farts
  114. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:33
    not publicly
  115. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:33

    [karlgroves] > “I don't need my other half referred to as the source of farts”

    Also going on my slides.

  116. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:33
    [karlgroves] j/k
  117. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:35
    14:21 <jkva> From Fabrique / Q42 I would really expect better
  118. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:35
    They don't employ developers, only designers.
  119. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:35
    They always want to one up each other.
  120. jkva
    Mar 31 12:35
    =D
  121. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:35
    No designer uses a keyboard, prrfff
  122. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:36
    If a designer knew there were keyboard shortcuts for things in photoshop, sketch, etc, they'd be way too productive.
  123. jkva
    Mar 31 12:36
    I've been to Q42, they have capable folk
  124. jkva
    Mar 31 12:36
    So I'm disappointed
  125. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:36
    I tried to get a job at Fabrique but I sucked so they didn't hire me
  126. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:37
    In fact, nobody would touch me with a 10-ft pole. I guess my current employer just didn't know that.
  127. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:37
    14:36 <jkva> I've been to Q42, they have capable folk
  128. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:37
    Maybe they should have some disabled folk ;)
  129. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:37
    All these web bureaus could use some disabled folk
  130. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:37
    Bram has some choice things to say about Michiel's former employer...
  131. jkva
    Mar 31 12:37
    I'm biased so I am hoping it's just ignorance, but that's also no excuse for decent web standard compliant development
  132. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:37
    @StommePoes, maybe you should write a “You don't want to hire me” of your own.
  133. jkva
    Mar 31 12:38
    rëvënge fårt should totally be on a slide
  134. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:38
    Michiel I don't have to-- nobody wanted to hire me because it was obvious I wasn't good at much. Except ranting, and nobody wants a wailing banshee witch on their team
  135. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:38
    Sitepoint forums on the other hand seem to like wailing banshee witch
  136. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:38
    [karlgroves] That just gave me an idea for a meetup. No talks or any of that, just a “Get to know differently abled people"
  137. jkva
    Mar 31 12:39
    Although iirc fårt == "travel, fare" from "vaart"
  138. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:39
    yeah it does
  139. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:39
    revenge travel
  140. jkva
    Mar 31 12:39
    Yeah our role=drinks a11y meetup is similar
  141. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:39
    [karlgroves] hahaha Revenge Travel. Watch out or I’ll take a trip somewhere else!
  142. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:39
    fjärta
  143. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:39
    that's the taken-from-english version of fart in Swedish
  144. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:39
    That just gave me an idea for a meetup. No talks or any of that, just a “Get to know differently farts"
  145. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:39
    fisa seems to be the swedish-swedish one
  146. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:40
    Role=drinks was a one-off with a follow-up. It happened to have some blinks who like whisky
  147. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:40
    however we may start an actual meetup-meetup with specific a11y-ish related stuff
  148. jkva
    Mar 31 12:40
    Fart quality is linear correlated with the volume of @StommePoes yelling at me
  149. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:41
    I notice pretty much all disabled people I know are techies
  150. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:41
    So I'm already pretty biased
  151. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:41
    [karlgroves] Are you talking fart quality or fårt quality? I can see both applying
  152. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:42
    I'm going to give a talk sometime in the next few months at DomCode about digital/web accessibility and I was putting together 'personas' and I'm looking at them going "that's not very diverse, they're all developers"
  153. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:42
    This is getting too smelly for me, I think I might take the next ausfart out of here…
  154. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:42
    "fårt" gives it that sofisticated Volvo/Saab air with a hint of IKEA
  155. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:42
    I was at IKEA on Monday; didn't like it
  156. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:43
    Michiel that's because you didn't go to the Man Room
  157. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:43
    We vowed to not return unless we had a list of stuff we really needed.
  158. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:43
    If they have those in NL yet
  159. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:43
    Should've read the man pages
  160. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:43
    [karlgroves] Job, we can put our wives in the same room and create a singularity of yelling.
  161. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:43
    Ever since they ditched whatever goofy font they were using for Verdana, I've been pro-IKEA.
  162. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:43
    [karlgroves] ducks
  163. jkva
    Mar 31 12:43
    Heheh
  164. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:44
    All the designistas whined and wailed while those of us who appreciate readable text cheered.
  165. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:44
    IT'S THURSDAY ALREADY?!!!
  166. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:44
    Yeah, tomorrow is scotch and stroopwafels
  167. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:44
    Shees
  168. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:44
    Yeah short week
  169. jkva
    Mar 31 12:44
    Bank holiday ftw
  170. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:44
    It feels like I lost a couple of days this week
  171. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:44
    Karl, did you know we get two easters and two christmasses?
  172. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:45
    Our workweek here started Tuesday.
  173. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:45
    I know I lost a couple days last week, but that was because I was on a whisky diet.
  174. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:45
    We also get koningsdag
  175. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:45
    [karlgroves] Disappointed I can’t get stroopwafels and MJ in the same place here. Get it together, Dutchies. I’m sure I’m not the first to think of this.
  176. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:45
    Oh yeah.
  177. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:45
    MJ?
  178. jkva
    Mar 31 12:45
    Mary Jane
  179. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:45
    And the day the Jesus returns to the Heavens, plus Pearson for some reason makes the day after a required holiday too.
  180. jkva
    Mar 31 12:45
    Marijuana
  181. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:45
    Ah
  182. jkva
    Mar 31 12:46
    THat;s nat'l I think @StommePoes
  183. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:46
    Hemelvaart? Nope.
  184. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:46
    That's no free day in the States that I know of.
  185. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:46
    My aunts and grandma would go to church
  186. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:46
    That's about it.
  187. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:46
    Not even saturday and sunday :P
  188. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:47
    Sunday Easter, but no Monday Easter or Jesus-Goes-to-Heaven days off.
  189. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:47
    [karlgroves] Employer discretion for that one. Some do, some don't.
  190. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:47
    Also Good Friday usually isn't a day off, but schools might be.
  191. jkva
    Mar 31 12:47
    Hrm Hemelvaart is May 5th
  192. jkva
    Mar 31 12:47
    That's liberation day
  193. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:47
    Liberation plus the jesus.
  194. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:47
    Double holiday.
  195. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 12:47
    But 'Muricans have 4th of july
  196. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:47
    True.
  197. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:48
    I have super fond memories of the 4th
  198. jkva
    Mar 31 12:48
    Like almost getting shot?
  199. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:48
    car sitting in a traffic jam on the S-curve, sitting on top of the car with a friend and his family eating fried chicken to watch the fireworks over the river
  200. jkva
    Mar 31 12:48
    USA: Celebrate the 4th, plead the 5th
  201. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:48
    That was new years' not the 4th
  202. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:49
    New Year's eve I was walking the dog and I lived in the ghetto and there was some celebratory gunfire and some of it went through a fence in front of me
  203. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:50
    [karlgroves] 4th of July, where the true patriots celebrate the day we Declared our Independence from the tyranny of the British who refused our rights, after which we proceeded to deny our citizens those same rights.
  204. jkva
    Mar 31 12:50
    I thought it was about shitty tea?
  205. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:50
    Saw Selma in the plane on the way home. That wasn't so long ago.
  206. StommePoes
    Mar 31 12:50
    The tea was fine. The taxes on it were shitty.
  207. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 12:52
    [karlgroves] Yeah. Taxation without representation (still happens in DC).
  208. jkva
    Mar 31 12:52
    Time to rëvënge fårt at congress
  209. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:07
    So pretty: https://cdn.rawgit.com/w3c/aria/headings/practices/aria-practices.html
  210. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:08
    Will merge that into master later today (no more ugly tables for content).
  211. jkva
    Mar 31 13:13
    Schwerdtfegeeeeer!
  212. jkva
    Mar 31 13:15
    Tempted to join either ARIA-WG or EO-WG, need to sit in on some meetings to get a feeling for it
  213. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:15
    What's EO?
  214. jkva
    Mar 31 13:16
    Education/Outreach
  215. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:16
    Ah
  216. jkva
    Mar 31 13:16
    https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/
  217. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:16
    If you join ARIA you have to listen to me whine about stuff three times a week…
  218. jkva
    Mar 31 13:16
    Surely not
  219. jkva
    Mar 31 13:16
    Scotch bribes
  220. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:16
    It's fun though :P
  221. jkva
    Mar 31 13:17
    I'm concerned that EO/WG is mainly companies/vendors, not trenchies
  222. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:17
    Nah wait, APG on Monday (which you don't have to attend if you don't want to work on the APG), APA on Tuesday (which is a different WG), and ARIA call on Thursday, which is fun most of the time.
  223. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:17
    You have to pronounce Rich's last name flawlessly before you can join though.
  224. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:18
    Participants in EO WG: https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=35532&public=1
  225. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:19
    They don't have too many, so I'm sure they could use some help :)
  226. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:19
    But we also have enough to do in the ARIA WG
  227. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 13:19
    So, join both :P
  228. jkva
    Mar 31 13:20
    I am already limited on time
  229. jkva
    Mar 31 13:20
    So I have to be careful
  230. jkva
    Mar 31 13:20
    And I don't believe that 4 hours things one second
  231. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:20
    Plus, your engirsh must be flawless to join outreach/evangelism
  232. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:20
    Karl: "Taxation without representation (still happens in DC)." <-- and all expats
  233. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:22
    I'm also being pushed by my boss to join a WG but I honestly can't imagine what I could contribute and doubt I'd be able to put in the time.
  234. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:22
    I thought SVG, but I can't do math without counting fingers and taking off shoes, let alone drawing things with math
  235. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:22
    Never grokked Inkscape
  236. jkva
    Mar 31 13:27
    I think my English is splendid
  237. jkva
    Mar 31 13:27
    quite right, quite right
  238. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:39
    shitty auto-tabs. https://bankieren.rabobank.nl/klanten/ type in some number in the first input. You'll be moved to the second input. Now try to shift-tab back to the first input to correct mistakes. grrrr
  239. jkva
    Mar 31 13:40
    Yeah, told them about it "We'll look into it" yeah fuck all you do
  240. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:40
    That one's going in my talk. Plus tabbing to the buttons at the bottom give no focus hints while mouse turns them bright orange
  241. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:40
    No they said "we don't see the problem"
  242. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:44
    Hey wait a minute... aria-describedby does not override a label
  243. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:44
    that's aria-labelledby
  244. jkva
    Mar 31 13:45
    Yeah I found that out the hard way :-/
  245. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:45
    Yeah well it's a quiz question in our a11y course, and it gives the wrong answer
  246. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:45
    Gonna beep the boss
  247. jkva
    Mar 31 13:51
    ARIA-WG definitely has more familiar faces in it
  248. jkva
    Mar 31 13:52
    I can always join the WHATWG ;)
  249. garcialo
    Mar 31 13:53
    @jkva That sounds like idea now
  250. garcialo
    Mar 31 13:53
    ...but wait until the part where you become nourishment for the hix
  251. jkva
    Mar 31 13:53
    I DON'T UNDERSTAAAAAND
  252. jkva
    Mar 31 13:54
    (I'm just quoting CSSSquirrel, I've never met Hix)
  253. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:54
    "nourishment for the hix" that just... sounds creepy
  254. StommePoes
    Mar 31 13:54
    CSSSquirrel++
  255. jkva
    Mar 31 13:54
    Squeee!
  256. jkva
    Mar 31 13:57
    “When the W3C’s and WHATWG’s HTML specifications differ, we tend to follow the WHATWG one.”
  257. jkva
    Mar 31 13:57
    bah
  258. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 13:59
    [karlgroves] Awesome article http://themacro.com/articles/2016/03/agility-requires-safety/
  259. jkva
    Mar 31 14:00
    Not sure when "agile" became "Do whatever just write code bruh"
  260. jkva
    Mar 31 14:03
    agile was a response to design-by-committee, even the original waterfall model had iteration cycles, just smaller ones. Nice article, though
  261. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:04
    I think that's what Ovid is always fighting... the "we cowboy, it's called Agile and we scrummify our kanbanned sprints yo!"
  262. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 14:04
    [karlgroves] (y)
  263. jkva
    Mar 31 14:04
    Hahaha
  264. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:05
    Post zombie apolcalypse: 1: so what did you do before The End? 2: I was a farmer. I know how to grow food. What did you do? 1: I was a Certified Scrum Master. I know how to Scrum. 2: Boy, you ain't gonna make it here long.
  265. jkva
    Mar 31 14:06
    That's why I'm software developer, homebrewer and firefighter.
  266. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:06
    Cover all yer butts
  267. jkva
    Mar 31 14:06
    One of those should come in handy somewhere
  268. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:06
    Homebrew... nom
  269. jkva
    Mar 31 14:07
    Now if I become W3C member, my future is safe once Mike Paciello takes over the world
  270. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:07
    You'll become a zombie.
  271. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:07
    meetingify all the things
  272. jkva
    Mar 31 14:07
    "speeecs, tasty speeeecs"
  273. jkva
    Mar 31 14:09
    wtf linkedin
  274. jkva
    Mar 31 14:09
    blob
  275. jkva
    Mar 31 14:09
    alt="Linkedin: Trending in the Information Technology and Services Industry
    Jeremy Clarkson's estranged wife Frances Cain rocks bikini in Barbados - dailymail article"
  276. garcialo
    Mar 31 14:10
    I never trusted LinkedIn or the people on it
  277. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:11
    Business Insider and Daily Mail have no place on something that claims to be a connection app for professionals.
  278. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:11
    Oh hey garcialo we should connect! :P
  279. garcialo
    Mar 31 14:11
    send me a LinkedIn friend request =)
  280. powrsurg
    Mar 31 14:13
    I've been finding people on LinkedIn are forgetting that it's supposed to be professional and are starting to do Facebook-style political junk posts
  281. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:14
    I've been seeing the facebooking for a long time now
  282. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:15
    Some of it I don't want to say anything about-- molly sharing mom info for example-- but it means I don't scroll into the stream too far any particular time I log in
  283. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:15
    I generally only share articles that seem work-related, but that makes it rather like Twitter anyway.
  284. jkva
    Mar 31 14:15
    @StommePoes you were working on Personas? https://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/people-use-web/stories
  285. powrsurg
    Mar 31 14:17
    I haven't shared as many articles since changing jobs. I used to share things all the time. But part of that also was because I was the company blogger as well as main developer
  286. jkva
    Mar 31 14:17
    Heheh https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/minutes
  287. powrsurg
    Mar 31 14:20
    @jkva shouldn't that page use details/summary?
  288. jkva
    Mar 31 14:20
    @powrsurg I'm assuming it's broken atm
  289. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:26
    doesn't that come from Krijn's server?
  290. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:26
    or is that just other w3c stuff?
  291. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:30
    I've been wanting to remove my LinkedIn profile
  292. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:31
    @jkva: just search the mailing list, minutes are always posted shortly after meetings :)
  293. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:33
    @MichielBijl now that you have your dream job?
  294. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:33
    Basically, yeah
  295. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:34
    From my “article ideas” notes thingy:
  296. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:34
    • Do I need LinkedIn?
  297. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:34
    • Constant stream of job offers I don't want is annoying to say the least.
  298. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:34
    • Remembering names to match faces is a handy feature.
  299. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:34
    • I talk to most people I care about in real life or on Twitter/Gitter.
  300. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:34
    • Don't use the "news" stream much.
  301. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:34
    • Think I can remove it after I’ve found the right employer.
  302. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:35
    They should add flags like at Brazilian restaurants. To turn on/off people sending things to you instead of meat obviously.
  303. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:36
    "For example, in an English page, you do not need a lang attribute for sushi." <-- course material making me HUNGRY
  304. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:36
    LinkedIn's kinda handy for discovering colleagues I don't know I have.
  305. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:37
    I met a bunch I never knew existed at CSUN
  306. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:39
    You know. I never even think of sushi as being a Japanese word (of course I know it is). I always use a slightly less commonly used usage example where the word may not actually be in the dictionary but is commonly understood.
  307. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:39
    or as my father used to say, horse doovers... the consequences of taking in a word
  308. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:40
    There are many times where a newspaper or magazine article italicises a foreign loanword
  309. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:41
    and in those cases, I still wouldn't wrap a lang around them, but it's curious that I'd wrap possibly an <i> around them (as it seems italicised purely for typographic reasons, not sure)
  310. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:43
    Yeah. I agree.
  311. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:44
    Normally switching pronunciation engine in a screen reader for things like that would decrease the user experience unless the user happens to speak both languages.
  312. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:44
    I'm still surprised VoiceOver doesn't support that.
  313. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:44
    Even though they have all these languages available to them
  314. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:45
    Of course for sushi, Japanese being a phonetic language, the whole discussion is a little moot anyway
  315. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:45
    sooshee
  316. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 14:45
    Poesie
  317. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:45
    I think in Japanese the u is "short" and has a bar over it
  318. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:45
    On
  319. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:45
    but we just say soo shee
  320. StommePoes
    Mar 31 14:48
    huh, no, it seems it never had the u+bar
  321. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:51
    I guess Dutch pronunciation is different then. So adding a lang attribute would make it more confusing as it would change to native pronunciation rules.
  322. jnurthen
    Mar 31 14:52
    Perhaps the rule for language of parts should be change if there is a whole sentence but not for single words. For cases between Make a judgment call.
  323. garcialo
    Mar 31 15:14
    I think borrowed words aren't intended to be marked up as their original language
  324. StommePoes
    Mar 31 15:32
    They're not, and the WCAG is pretty straightforward about when to use langs
  325. StommePoes
    Mar 31 15:34
    one of the areas the WCAG is straightforward...
  326. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 15:34
    [karlgroves] Watch it, you’ll get called a meanie with language like that
  327. jkva
    Mar 31 15:34
    Haha
  328. jkva @jkva cooked Brussels Sprouts in Indonesian spicy sauce, with tofu in spicy satay sauce, with rice and shrimp crackers
  329. jkva
    Mar 31 15:35
    Nom
  330. StommePoes
    Mar 31 15:36
    Karl: you don't understand, I embrace my armchair-coaching whining laziness
  331. StommePoes
    Mar 31 15:36
    it's who I iz
  332. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 15:48
    [karlgroves] Wish Youtube’s embed code had a title attribute on it.
  333. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 15:48
    [karlgroves] I always have to remember to add it
  334. jkva
    Mar 31 15:58
    All right! My current project's team lead is going to have a lightning talk at a11y at the next US Perl conference. Looks like my evangelism is paying off
  335. jkva
    Mar 31 16:02
    I'm planning a 30m talk on "How to make your Perl powered webapp accessible to all", hopefully it'll get accepted, though it's not purely about Perl.
  336. jkva
    Mar 31 16:02
    And it would be at the EU conference, I can only go to the US so often
  337. StommePoes
    Mar 31 16:15
    I did a talk on HTML5 a few years ago, no Perl there and was accepted :P
  338. powrsurg
    Mar 31 16:51
    You could do a session on how to make a screen reader properly read off Perl code. :p
  339. jkva
    Mar 31 17:04
    @powrsurg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yrhee8W7II
  340. powrsurg
    Mar 31 17:05
    The closed captioning on that is great
  341. StommePoes
    Mar 31 17:35
    "techno I stalked her mom"
  342. StommePoes
    Mar 31 17:35
    "or crappier I for a little bit overlooked"
  343. StommePoes
    Mar 31 17:36
    it's like random markov chains having an orgy
  344. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 18:00
    Pro tip: evade all discussions that involve combobox
  345. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 18:00
    Pro tip: get laughs by proposing to postpone combobox
  346. zakim-robot
    Mar 31 18:43
    [poorgeek] funny. I’ve been dealing with someone else’s combobox all morning
  347. stevefaulkner
    Mar 31 21:36
    @jnurthen yeah @MichielBijl always dreamed (AKA night terrors) of working with me
  348. sophieschoice
    Mar 31 21:40
    @stevefaulkner hahaha :D !
  349. MichielBijl @MichielBijl wakes in a puddle of sweat
  350. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 21:56
    Hu wha hu?! Somebody tell me I don't really work with Steve!
  351. jnurthen
    Mar 31 22:06
    @MichielBijl you don't really work with Steve
  352. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 22:07
    You're just saying that =P
  353. jnurthen
    Mar 31 22:07
    Yeah - someone told me to
  354. MichielBijl
    Mar 31 22:07
    hehe