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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 1st of April 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. pkra
    Apr 01 08:16
    morning, slackers.
  2. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 08:30
    Morning Peter
  3. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:36
    [oliviernourry] Hi all, in case you'd be interested, the RGAA (French official a11y guidelines, based on WCAG2), is now available in English on GitHub: https://github.com/DISIC/rgaa_referentiel_en
  4. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:37
    [oliviernourry] Comments, PR and issues welcome! I'd be also happy to answer your questions on the RGAA in general, as I'm very much involved in this project and its ecosystem
  5. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 08:54
    oliviernourry, is there a short overview of the main differences?
  6. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 08:55
    The Dutch had a similar system (Webrichtlijnen 2.0), but dropped it in favour of WCAG 2.0 couple weeks back.
  7. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 08:55
    Webrichtlijnen was based on WCAG and added a fifth category, but decided it was better to go with the international standard.
  8. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:57
    [oliviernourry] @michielbijl RGAA is a testing methodology to test against WCAG2, but with a different approach
  9. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:57
    [oliviernourry] it focuses on components of the code/UI, instead of design principles
  10. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:57
    [oliviernourry] For instance, with WCAG it's hard to find how to check the accessibility of a captioned image,
  11. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 08:58
    Anything is hard to find in WCAG =P
  12. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:58
    [oliviernourry] you nedd to go through 9 techniques, and indeed you don't find a clear answer to "is this captioned the right way"?
  13. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:58
    [oliviernourry] Ah ah!
  14. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:58
    [oliviernourry] Indeed!
  15. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 08:59
    Okay, yeah I see, looks interesting =)
  16. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:59
    [oliviernourry] In RGAA, therre is a test for that, and for every common situation we could think of
  17. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 08:59
    [oliviernourry] see criteria 1.10 in the RGAA, it tells you what to check for images with a caption
  18. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:00
    [oliviernourry] and if your site passes RGAA, it passes WCAG2, with the same level
  19. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:00
    [oliviernourry] so pretty handy for legal conformance checking
  20. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:00
    [oliviernourry] by experience, web devs get it in 2 days, with appropriate training, without prior a11y knowledge
  21. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:01
    [oliviernourry] which is a critical feature IMO
  22. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:01
    That's good
  23. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:01
    Well, merci :)
  24. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:01
    [oliviernourry] de rien :)
  25. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:01
    [oliviernourry] interested in the Dutch experience, though
  26. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:02
    [oliviernourry] do you know anyone who has been involved in it? It couls be good to have feedback on what drove the decision
  27. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:02
    [oliviernourry] *coud
  28. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:02
    [oliviernourry] *could
  29. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:02
    [oliviernourry] (damn I should get some sleep)
  30. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:02
    Hmm, I've never used the Dutch one, but know some people that do/did.
  31. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:02
    Not sure they are on here
  32. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:03
    @StommePoes, don't think Iacobien or Bram are on here right?
  33. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:04
    @oliviernourry, is there any CSS available?
  34. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:04
    [oliviernourry] @michielbijl no, not yet
  35. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:05
    [oliviernourry] it has been translated in a rush, for CSUN (my client, who manages the program, did a prezo on it)
  36. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:06
    [oliviernourry] That's something I have in mind, but clearly the priority was to make it available, in a format that can be easily tweaked by whoever wants to
  37. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:06
    :+1:
  38. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:07
    [oliviernourry] besides there's a redesign project going on currently, for the original version, so we'll probably wait for the new CSS to proceed
  39. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:16
    Sounds good :)
  40. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:16
    Ha, beat you to it Karl :P
  41. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:17
    [oliviernourry] thanks for the tweet!
  42. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:18
    :+1:
  43. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 09:18
    [oliviernourry] (both)
  44. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 09:18
    De rien ;)
  45. FionaTG
    Apr 01 09:54
    Anyone here going to this? http://www.meetup.com/London-Accessibility-Meetup/events/229039168/
  46. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 10:15
    Can anyone here tell me why my commits aren't squashed (and how to fix that)? w3c/aria#318
  47. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 10:29
    [wojtek] Michiel: do you use GIT via command line? Here’s a handy guide on how to squash commits: http://gitready.com/advanced/2009/02/10/squashing-commits-with-rebase.html
  48. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 10:47
    Thanks wojtek, yes do via command
  49. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 11:25
    [wojtek] let me know if you need any help. I think “Merge branch” commits shouldn’t be there. If I were you, I would create a new branch on top of latest master, cherry-pick commits that you authored specifically (without “merge” commits), and then squash them into a single commit. This way the PR will be much cleaner. (Just FYI, to avoid merge commits when you’re pulling latest changes from upstream in future, you can do git pull —rebase.)
  50. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 11:26
    Thanks! I'll have a loot at it tonight after dinner
  51. stevefaulkner
    Apr 01 12:57
    @FionaTG would like to go but home life to frantic - loft conversion, kids on holiday, wife undergoing radiotherapy (last one wed 6th)
  52. stevefaulkner
    Apr 01 12:57
    And work in between 😜
  53. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 13:04
    Would've come if I hadn't just booked a flight two days later :P
  54. sophieschoice
    Apr 01 13:15
    I am a sad panda :( On my website I have converted roman numerals to the proper HTML-code, so that a screenreader says them as a number. But the HTML-code only goes till XIII, and I need to convert XVI :( . What is my best option? Just to leave it, but having the screenreader say the letters? I can imagine it can be confusing or irritating for visitors with assistive technology.
  55. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 13:21
    Ask @StommePoes; she has experience in that.
  56. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 13:21
    Think you can do it with ol and hidden spans.
  57. MichielBijl
    Apr 01 13:22
    Not sure.
  58. jnurthen
    Apr 01 16:48
    Scenario: we have a left panel and a right panel. The left panel has a list of links and when you click on the link the right panel change to reflect what you click on the left. We use aria-controls to sort of let the user know that if they click on the link something changes and they can go to the right using JAWS keys. (the right also has a landmark and a header at the top of it too)
  59. jnurthen
    Apr 01 16:49
    Question: Should we code aria-controls on all of the links or just the active/selected link? One argument can be said that the the "non-active" link hasn't controlled the right panel yet so only the active link has the aria-controls.
    The second argument if we don't code it on all of the links how do user know that the rest of the links behaves the same way?
  60. jnurthen
    Apr 01 16:50
    of course adding to all the links really increases the verbosity when reading though the page with JAWS (Press Jaws key + alt + M to move to controlled content) - it seems that would be really annoying
  61. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 20:08
    [tyler] :wave: Hi all, glad to find this slack via Cordelia’s talk at Clarity. her talk was great
  62. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 20:10
    [derek.koziol] Hello! I wish I could be at that conference :'( . How’s it going so far?
  63. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 20:39
    [tyler] well! really interesting stuff all around. everyone has something different to add
  64. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 20:40
    [deborah_kaplan] The twittering on her talk was excellent
  65. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 20:40
    [deborah_kaplan] I heard she verbal alt texted her slides -- describing only relevant images?
  66. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 20:44
    [tyler] Cordelia mentioned only alt texting relevant images, eg. ones that convey actual ingormation, rather than one’s that are just decorative. She hinted that it may be beneficial to communicate with alt that an image isn’t relevant, too
  67. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 20:44
    [deborah_kaplan] cool
  68. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 20:53
    [cordelia] Yep, I illustrated many of my slides and described the illustrations & code samples as I went along. Left out describing some illustrations that were mostly just decoration on the edges.
  69. jnurthen
    Apr 01 21:39
    Did anyone see the WHATWG proposal today? https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/semantics.html#the-article-element
  70. jnurthen
    Apr 01 21:40
    and https://html.spec.whatwg.org/multipage/semantics.html#the-main-element amongst others :laughing:
  71. zakim-robot
    Apr 01 21:50
    [dpogue] Done with CSS too… that’s impressive :p
  72. jnurthen
    Apr 01 21:50
    yeah - I like the fact that H1-H6 are out too
  73. jnurthen
    Apr 01 21:52
    and the <a> element too :)
  74. powrsurg
    Apr 01 21:52
    I'm a bit confused by how that's done. It looks like it's every other element of class .example, but there are a lot of divs that it's not applied to. It's only applied to the <dl> element
  75. powrsurg
    Apr 01 21:54
    I was thinking the other day. <article> is getting misused a lot (used in blogrolls for article summaries). Should a new element be used instead? Since it's already in use it can't be <summary>, though I feel that would have been more appropriate
  76. jnurthen
    Apr 01 21:54
    yeah - when I saw article i was like - ok, I can buy that.
  77. jnurthen
    Apr 01 21:56
    @powrsurg yes - just on dls it is a little confusing as some elements have a 2nd dl within the element defintion (like <a>) which leads to 2 consecutive deprecated elements
  78. powrsurg
    Apr 01 21:58
    oh nm. I knew that it was on class element but I was misreading the <div class="example"> as <div class="element">
  79. tigt
    Apr 01 22:49
    @sophieschoice <span aria-label="16">XVI</span> would probably be the simplest fix