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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 6th of April 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. jkva
    Apr 06 07:48
    Yay code reviews
  2. jkva
    Apr 06 07:48 
    // Most browsers dont do the pointer if the <a tag doesnt have a href a { cursor: pointer }
  3. jkva
    Apr 06 07:53
    Me: "Use a button for that"
    Coworker: "<button href="">?"
    Me : "No..." :worried:
  4. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 08:11
    <a button href="">?
  5. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 08:17
    [oliviernourry] Untitled
  6. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 08:25
    :(
  7. jkva
    Apr 06 08:30
    Blegh
  8. jkva
    Apr 06 08:40
    http://mashable.com/2016/04/05/matt-king-facebook/#gJLK0v.aEZqC
  9. StommePoes
    Apr 06 09:41
    @simong I don't know if there's a specific mathmlish way of doing that, but maybe a figcaption+figure?
  10. StommePoes
    Apr 06 09:41
    @simong you could try asking @pkra too
  11. pkra
    Apr 06 09:42
    I heard my name.
  12. pkra
    Apr 06 09:42
    what's up @StommePoes @simong
  13. pkra
    Apr 06 09:42
    ah, see it now.
  14. pkra
    Apr 06 09:42
    Yes, there is.
  15. pkra
    Apr 06 09:43
    MathML has a special labeling system
  16. pkra
    Apr 06 09:43
    https://www.w3.org/Math/draft-spec/mathml.html#chapter3_presm.mlabeledtr
  17. StommePoes
    Apr 06 09:47
    woohoo. We did a call once to @rodneyrehm and he appeared in a swirl of fire. Can you do that too?
  18. pkra
    Apr 06 09:50
    https://images.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.riffsy.com%2Fimages%2F0d54f837436079d1cd815ec435a57aed%2Fraw&f=1
  19. pkra
    Apr 06 09:50
    Hm.. no gif support?
  20. pkra
    Apr 06 09:51
    Louise from Bob's Burgers in a swirl of fire
  21. pkra
    Apr 06 09:51
    @StommePoes that's the best I can do, I'm afraid. Louise is the best btw.
  22. StommePoes
    Apr 06 09:56
    if only someone had done that with the Devil in Rick and MOrty
  23. jkva
    Apr 06 09:57
    http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-16-2014/eodsIY.gif
  24. StommePoes
    Apr 06 10:02
    That one's got the soundtrack of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfUM5xHUY4M
  25. pkra
    Apr 06 10:08
    :)
  26. jkva
    Apr 06 10:09
    =) ..... =D ..... >=D
  27. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 10:53
    [rodneyrehm] the swirl was out on lunch, sorry
  28. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 10:54
    [rodneyrehm] I’m about to head into the next meeting, but what’s the problem @StommePoes?
  29. sophieschoice @sophieschoice laughs about the posted gifs.
  30. jkva
    Apr 06 11:03
    @rodneyrehm: There was no problem, just your summoning theatrics were brought up as an example ;)
  31. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 11:36
    [rodneyrehm] ah, ok
  32. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 11:36
    [rodneyrehm] sorry to have disappointed ;)
  33. jkva
    Apr 06 11:37
    You can still vanish theatrically :P
  34. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 11:37
    [rodneyrehm] poof
  35. jkva
    Apr 06 11:37
    :clap:
  36. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 11:42
    alt=Rodney disappears in an accessible cloud of smoke
  37. jkva
    Apr 06 11:43
    As long as it doesn't trigger the sprinkler system...
  38. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 11:43
    sprinkle sprinkle
  39. jkva
    Apr 06 11:43
    :sparkles:
  40. jkva
    Apr 06 11:43
    little star
  41. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 11:44
    I'm going to have a drink at the bar.
  42. jkva
    Apr 06 11:44
    It's 13:44!
  43. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 11:44
    It was a rhyme
  44. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 11:45
    little star -> bar
  45. jkva
    Apr 06 11:45
    Yes, I understood
  46. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 11:45
    My sarcasme meter is broken.
  47. jkva
    Apr 06 11:45
    I mean, when dealing with 'star', I would rhyme 'far', not 'bar'. You might have a problem ;)
  48. jkva
    Apr 06 11:48
    Sweet, computer-generated Rembrandt paintings http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35977315
  49. powrsurg
    Apr 06 13:39
    Wouldn't a disappearance be more effective if it was in an inaccessible cloud of smoke?
  50. jkva
    Apr 06 13:44

    a list of divs within a div, each div having the class disabled so that the empty as in the div get hover:not-allowed .

    Like they do it on purpose. And then I am the person complaining when I ask why it's not a ul with li containing buttons

  51. jkva
    Apr 06 13:52
    Not sure what else to do though, I mean, this is what code reviews are for
  52. powrsurg
    Apr 06 14:09
    Was there any justification for such, or was it just a typical "this is what they said to do on stackoverflow" type thing?
  53. jkva
    Apr 06 14:09
    Not really thinking it through, I guess. We all make mistakes
  54. jkva
    Apr 06 14:10
    works-on-my-machine syndrome, I think
  55. powrsurg
    Apr 06 14:11
    I'm trying to get my team more used to doing a11y stuff. Getting some headway with it, but sometimes they're going about the long way for things. Design it first to work the way they thought it should, then add in a11y after. So there have been times where we should have a <button> with <img> inside that instead get <img tabindex="0"> on them.
  56. powrsurg
    Apr 06 14:14
    I truly don't understand why so many third-party things have <a> without an href
  57. powrsurg
    Apr 06 14:14
    at least I can vaguely understand <a href="#">
  58. jkva
    Apr 06 14:15
    I think it's just lack of knowledge, and not knowing what that breaks
  59. jkva
    Apr 06 14:15
    "It works for me"
  60. jkva
    Apr 06 14:16
    The web's lenient parsing nature allows a lot of this. Most programming language parsers would've dopeslapped you
  61. jkva
    Apr 06 14:16
    We tried to fix it with XHTML once :P
  62. powrsurg
    Apr 06 14:17
    Yeah, I remember getting my own site running XHTML 1.1
  63. powrsurg
    Apr 06 14:17
    served it with the right MIME type too
  64. powrsurg
    Apr 06 14:18
    I don't recall if I ever updated that. I really should update my personal site ... make it mobile friendly, probably has some a11y bugs I never accounted for when I set it up like a decade ago ...
  65. LjWatson
    Apr 06 14:19
    For anyone interested in HTML5.1 https://www.w3.org/blog/2016/04/working-on-html5-1/
  66. jkva
    Apr 06 14:19
    :+1: :sparkles:
  67. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 15:19
    [newtron] has anybody seen stats on which screen reader/browser/os combos read text-transform: uppercase as individual letters vs words?
  68. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 15:20
    [newtron] also, same question but with font-feature-settings: "c2sc", "smcp”; =D
  69. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 15:28
    [fstorr] @teleject: welcome :) Will there be an accessibility summit this year?
  70. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 15:33
    [teleject] Thanks for the welcome, @fstorr !
  71. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:07
    [marcysutton] @fstorr we are having an accessibility camp in Seattle in January 2017 =D
  72. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:07
    [marcysutton] Hi @teleject!!
  73. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:26
    [fstorr] @marcysutton: Yes! Any details yet? Because budget planning for next year, etc.
  74. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:27
    [marcysutton] We are in early stages of planning, but it’s looking like a single-track, single day conference on Saturday, January 28.
  75. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:27
    [marcysutton] Potentially with side workshops.
  76. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:29
    [marcysutton] The goal is to make it very affordable to attend. The biggest budget items for you would be transportation to Seattle and lodging.
  77. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:32
    [teleject] Hi, @marcysutton!
  78. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:32
    [teleject] @fstorr Accessibility Summit will be in Sept. 6-7
  79. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 16:33
    [teleject] We have a handful of speakers lined up, but haven't "officially" announced
  80. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 17:10
    [fstorr] @marcysutton: Cool! My only input is that I’d much prefer it on a weekday so it’s part of my work week. Weekends are family time. Totally understand if I’m an outlier and that it works better at the weekend.
  81. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 17:11
    [fstorr] @teleject: Thanks for the info ;)
  82. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 17:40
    @fstorr, that's my feeling too.
  83. MichielBijl
    Apr 06 17:40
    But I can't attend, so ignore me :P
  84. powrsurg
    Apr 06 18:31
    I guess the new Windows 10 build that came out today included a new Accessibility tree view for Edge
  85. zakim-robot
    Apr 06 18:53
    [marcysutton] Thanks for the input @fstorr, that is important feedback!
  86. stevefaulkner
    Apr 06 22:37
    @powrsurg yeah I wanna try it
  87. jnurthen
    Apr 06 22:51
    I also want to try the Developer View in Narrator
  88. jnurthen
    Apr 06 22:52
    looks like an interesting concept... no idea how long will have to wait for Win 10 though