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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 29th of April 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 00:05
    @alansouzati I don't know if aria-roledescription is implemented anywhere yet - but adding it should do no harm (as it will be ignored if not implemented)
  2. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 00:12
    [alansouzati] dstorey, I work on grommet (http://grommet.io). We do some work on accessible charts, but I’m not an accessibility expert.
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 00:13
    [alansouzati] i did a presentation at JSConf recently, also at CSUN. the slides are up in github io: http://grommet.github.io/jsconf2016/ and http://grommet.github.io/csun2016/
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 00:14
    [alansouzati] jsconf one is more technical with codepen for reference. CSUN is more high level with the work we are doing in Grommet for accessibility. which is far from done
  5. David Storey
    @dstorey
    Apr 29 00:16
    yeah, we have our own internal CSS/html lib that this will end up being part of. We currently don't use any lib/frameworks, but will for charts as it is too complex to expect our devs to write by hand.
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 00:16
    [alansouzati] the good thing is, the presentation is supposed to be accessible, so you can run that with a screen reader and get a feel for that.
  7. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 00:17
    [alansouzati] cool, I don’t expect you to use Grommet, but the JSconf presentation i believe will give you pointers when you decide to go for a charting library. D3 is very famous but I’m not sure how accessible is that
  8. David Storey
    @dstorey
    Apr 29 00:19
    thanks! Yeah, we use all different solutions throughout internal/external. Hoping to standardise with one blessed method. I think it is our data page that uses D3, but it is fairly low level.
  9. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 00:22
    If you are looking at charts we did quite a bit of work on chart and graph accessibility in our open source framework too - not that I would expect you to use ours either ....
  10. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 00:22
    oraclejet.org - take a look at the data visualization components
  11. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 00:22
    (click through the cookbook first)
  12. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 00:23
    for example http://www.oracle.com/webfolder/technetwork/jet/uiComponents-sunburst-default.html
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 00:23
    [alansouzati] yeah Oracle Jet is awesome, I watched your presentation at CSUN :)
  14. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 00:23
    its under a UPL license so you can basically grab whatever you like from it
  15. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 00:25
    thanks @alansouzati
  16. David Storey
    @dstorey
    Apr 29 00:25
    Thanks
  17. David Storey
    @dstorey
    Apr 29 00:26
    did you generally find that the SVG approach worked better than using Canvas and a Sub-DOM?
  18. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 00:27
    i'll be honest I don't think we went down the canvas road at all. We moved from flash to SVG. I don't see why the canvas approach couldnt work though - just SVG seems more appropriate for charts and graphs to me.
  19. David Storey
    @dstorey
    Apr 29 00:31
    I guess I'm trying to make my mind up if the data is just a visualised table, or if the data should be exposed/explained differently to a SR. I can imagine a big data table isn't the greatest experience, but I can imagine it is complex to describe a chart by other methods. But charts do show visually patterns that would be hard to spot by just reading a spread sheet type table
  20. David Storey
    @dstorey
    Apr 29 00:32
    I'm just not sure what that looks/sounds like yet
  21. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Apr 29 03:04
    Yeah. That is always a quandry. my general rule is, if the data is complex enough that someone might want a table to provide it to them via a link. Then they can do what they want with it (import into excel and manipulate etc)
  22. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Apr 29 07:45
    morning slackers.
  23. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 29 07:45
    o/
  24. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Apr 29 09:41
    pkra pondering a rewrite of Shakespeare's Sonnet #18 for NVDA.
  25. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 12:47
    [karlgroves] Anyone online right now, can you do me a favor?
    Run a test over at http://tenon.io/ and let me know if you get an error "Tenon's API could not process the results…"
    Working with a user having trouble but I can’t replicate their issue
  26. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 12:48
    [mrenty] I get Tenon's API could not process the results: undefined is not an object (evaluating 'this.props.data.resultSummary.issues') please try again.
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 12:50
    [karlgroves] @mrenty can you LMK your browser?
  28. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 12:51
    [karlgroves] and URL tested
  29. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 12:51
    [karlgroves] feel free to DM it if needed
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 12:51
    [mrenty] Using Chrome Version 52.0.2716.0 dev (64-bit)
  31. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 12:52
    [mrenty] and I tested `https://beta.schiphol.com`
  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 12:55
    [karlgroves] Thanks!
  33. Mark Sadecki
    @cptvitamin
    Apr 29 13:32
    thanks @jnurthen I considered making them landmarks, but there is likely to be less than 6, and more like 1 or 2. I came to the conclusion that landmarks might be overkill. They are th only thing listed in the main region so I don’t think it will be burdensome to navigate. Plus, they only contain about 5 pieces of discrete information.
  34. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Apr 29 13:33
    Does anyone know if any AT derives the language for a site that is missing a lang attribute from an xml:lang attribute if present?
  35. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 13:36
    [karlgroves] nope
  36. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Apr 29 13:38
    Okay, I'll go through and add them then.
  37. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 14:01
    [jitendra] Is anyone here from booking.com ?
  38. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 14:29
    Zoe might be, but not sure.
  39. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 14:29
    Can't remember whether I've seen her here.
  40. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Apr 29 14:42
    someone here did work on some travel site
  41. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 15:41
    [jitendra] https://ethicalweb.org
  42. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 15:50
    [kimberlymunoz] Oh hey, that's @adamscott’s project :)
  43. Adam Scott
    @ascott1
    Apr 29 16:10
    :wave: thanks for sharing @jitendra!
  44. Adam Scott
    @ascott1
    Apr 29 16:11
    the first https://ethicalweb.org book, which covers accessibility, progressive enhancement, and inclusive form design should be out any day now and will be a free download from O'Reilly
  45. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 16:24
    [dean] Zoe works at booking.com, don’t think anybody else I know there visits this channel
  46. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 16:25
    [dean] (I don’t know Zoe)
  47. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 16:25
    [dean] (but you know what I mean)
  48. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 29 16:41
    alt=A screenshot of my submitted web a11y talk to the 2016 European Perl Conference in Cluj-Napoca, Romania https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/JrfSHHLp/
  49. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 29 16:41
    I could use that site as an example, pfff
  50. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Apr 29 16:41
    That's not a bad idea actually
  51. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 16:51
    :+1:
  52. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 18:28
    It's official, the Authoring Practices Guide now has its own repository: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/
  53. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 18:28
    🎉
  54. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 18:29
    Editor's draft can now be found here: http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/
  55. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 18:31
    [sillero] great!
  56. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 18:34
    We're really happy with it. Should make things simpler.
  57. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 18:37
    [sillero] it’s been a reference for me and the rest of my team for a long time, it’s good to see it getting more care
  58. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 18:48
    [car] @michiel: Congrats! So that's what all the email was about. <g>
  59. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:13
    sillero: that is good to hear! We are hard at work to improve it.
  60. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:14
    car: thanks! Yeah, it was me moving all the issues ;)
  61. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Apr 29 19:28
    Cool was it a hassle to get its own repo?
  62. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:29
    Hard: Making sure everything that needed to come with was merged
  63. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:29
    Lot's of work: moving issues by hand
  64. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Apr 29 19:29
    @MichielBijl I think it would be more difficult to do for HTML-AAM as it shares stuff with core and SVG AAM
  65. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:29
    Probably missed something: pointing everything in the APG to the right location.
  66. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:30
    Yeah, I just copied the common folder. We need to figure that one out.
  67. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:30
    Because having to update ack list twice is not going to work.
  68. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:30
    So need a way to link to shared files.
  69. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:30
    Could do nested repo's, but I'm not a big fan of that.
  70. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:31
    symlink like.
  71. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:31
    Just makes it harder to use stuff.
  72. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:33
    I'll make a write up at some point.
  73. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 19:33
    This was after all a test case for the other stuff in the ARIA repo.
  74. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 21:27
    [ted_drake] I’m trying to catch up from three weeks of accessibility conferences and here are some notes.
  75. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 21:27
    [ted_drake] Notes from G3ict International Briefing: Inclusive Financial Services for Seniors and Persons with Disabilities http://www.last-child.com/notes-from-g3ict-international-briefing-inclusive-financial-services-for-seniors-and-persons-with-disabilities/
  76. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 21:27
    [ted_drake] http://www.last-child.com/disability-matters-2016/
  77. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 21:29
    [chris__pearce] Hey guys just came across this nice little framework: http://frend.co/, thought I’d share it.
  78. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 22:02
    That's very Frendly of you
  79. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 22:03
    [sillero] thanks for the notes
  80. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Apr 29 22:04
    [sillero] interesting implementation on frend
  81. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    Apr 29 22:15
    @stevefaulkner: to sum it all up, it's not hard to do, just takes some time to setup. I'll try to add some sort of guide to my write up for future use.
  82. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Apr 29 22:17
    @MichielBijl 👍🖖