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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 16th of May 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 16 08:23
    Morning slackers!
  2. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    May 16 08:24
    Morning :)
  3. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 08:36
    Flash is pretty much what people use objects for... technically you could put other things in it, but nobody ever does. You could even put a images or svgs in there. But we have tags for those, so...
  4. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 08:37
    I think <video> and <canvas> took over the other outlier reasons people would use <object>
  5. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    May 16 12:36
    I was discussing testing tools on Friday afternoon and said I'd put together a survey to gather developer opinions, survey is now up if you would also like to respond https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/6WD27LS @amandarush @StommePoes thanks!
  6. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    May 16 13:35
    Good morning!
  7. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 13:38
    GOOD MORNING JONATHAN THE NEAL. THERE WILL BE CAKE.
  8. jonathantneal @jonathantneal jumps up and down, for his day has come.
  9. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    May 16 14:11
    the cake is a lie.
  10. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    May 16 14:12
    How are you StommePoes?
  11. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    May 16 14:13
    Because I'm a potato.
  12. Jason Day
    @jasonday
    May 16 14:33
    pot-ah-to
  13. Jason Day
    @jasonday
    May 16 14:39
    @FionaHolder - are you going to share the results? I'd be curious how others answered.
  14. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 15:24
    [estelle] @stommepoes I use the object tag to include SVG with raster images for cross browser support. I also use object instead of iframe for including external HTML pages. Object has so many untapped uses, but a11y seems to be an issue. Trying to learn how to make them accessible
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 17:11
    [bkardell] Hey all, if you have a twitter account, I could use some help collecting data about use of offscreen text... https://twitter.com/briankardell/status/732256310499127297
  16. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    May 16 17:15
    Evening @jkva 😁
  17. jkva @jkva waves
  18. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 16 17:18
  19. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 16 17:18
  20. jkva @jkva goes to get savory greek food
  21. sophieschoice
    @sophieschoice
    May 16 17:19
    Allo Allo everybody!
  22. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 16 17:19
    "savory", that term reminds me of airplane food. "Enjoy these savory salted peanuts you cargo-class passenger scum"
  23. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 16 17:19
    Hi @Sophie. Now I want to watch some 'Allo 'Allo episodes
  24. sophieschoice
    @sophieschoice
    May 16 17:20
    I'm evil like that ;)
  25. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 16 17:22
    Or Blackadder Goes Forth :P
  26. sophieschoice
    @sophieschoice
    May 16 17:22
    I must admit I never saw an episode of Blackadder.....
  27. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 16 17:24
    Give it a try, you might like it. Season 4 is definitely my favourite
  28. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:28
    [alice] Hey, anyone in here got a moment to help me understand role=marquee?
  29. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:29
    zomg, that's a thing?
  30. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:29
    eeeeeeeeew...
  31. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:33
    I see the spec has changed on them...
  32. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:33
    the W3C recommendation https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/roles#marquee says has aria-live=off by default.
  33. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:34
    The working draft https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/ which I think I'm told is the actual-recent one, says it's polite.
  34. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:34
    I would think it's better to be off until/unless it's focussed on or something
  35. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:35
    Otherwise, how can one explore a page if it keeps going? (as a stock ticker etc would)
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:35
    [alice] I'm confused on how you can call something a live region if it's aria-live=off by default
  37. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:36
    Yeah, maybe that inconsistency is why they seem to be changing it?
  38. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:36
    [alice] I agree off makes sense as the default, for the reasons you say
  39. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:36
    This might actually be a question for Jamie Teh, as in, what does 1 example AT do with these, and why
  40. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:36
    [alice] I'm curious if AT gets any hint other than the role name that "this content may change but you won't be notified"
  41. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:37
    Because he'll do whatever doesn't break for his users.
  42. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:37
    [alice] yes indeed
  43. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:37
    [alice] looks at time
  44. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:37
    yeah bedtime
  45. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:37
    [alice] haha more "what time is it in Brisbane"
  46. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:37
    [alice] it's nowhere near bedtime here in California
  47. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:37
    yeah I'm wondering if "x live regions" is starting to get added on page loads
  48. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:37
    It sounds like useful info on the one hand, yet lots of stuff initially sounds useful on the other
  49. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:38
    Actually I know someone's announced "x live regions" to me but I can't remember which SR that was
  50. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:39
    At work they were adding "busy" and I was testing
  51. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    May 16 21:39
    Since today was a holiday for me but not coworkers, tomorrow I get an extra-buttload's worth of work so I'd better crawl into bed. If Jamie says something, post it here, sounds interesting
  52. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 16 21:41
    [alice] will do!
  53. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 16 22:07
    @StommePoes the marquee thing looks like a bug in the APG. If the spec says it defaults to off then that is correct. If there is something contradictory between the spec and the APG assume the spec is the correct one!