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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 23rd of May 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 23 07:26
    Morning Slackers!
  2. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    May 23 07:31
    Morning @jkva
  3. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    May 23 10:19
    Godmorgen slackers o/
  4. Amanda Rush
    @amandarush
    May 23 10:22
    Morning slackers!
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 10:22
    [jitendra] morning
  6. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    May 23 10:23
    How is the job hunt going Jitendra?
  7. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 10:28

    [jitendra] Have not applied to many jobs yet. Doing some freelance.

    But I think I will have to join somewhere to do design/front-end stuff.

  8. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 10:29
    [jitendra] I see less chances to find and and get a job where a11y is being treated as first class citizen.
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 10:31
    [jitendra] Most probably I will be moving to my home town to live with my parents and my wife’s parents are also in the same town
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 10:31
    [jitendra] I’m not in hurry to find a job this time
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 10:32
    [jitendra] I had applied to simply accessible remote job, but haven’t got any conclusion mail yet.
  12. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    May 23 13:23
    Good morning!
  13. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    May 23 13:39
    o/
  14. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    May 23 18:02
    I still have catching up to do from #id24. What a great event. And so encouraging to see what the video game industry is doing.
  15. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    May 23 18:03
    The game accessibility videos are good, too bad there are some stutters in the Naughty Dog one.
  16. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    May 23 18:04
    The Naughty Dog one, especially the one with the interview, is good if you just use the source video instead.
  17. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    May 23 18:08
    Everything they showed was really cool, but on first viewing I was distracted by the attempts to look more polished than it needed to be. I thought the TPG folks had the right attitude, which was just to be really thankful. That industry could certainly use the encouragement, and I’ve never heard of that level of effort put into a11y for video games before.
  18. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    May 23 18:24
    https://moz.com/blog/global-accessibility-awareness-day?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=what_you_should_know_accessibility_seo&utm_campaign=blog_post
  19. Jason Day
    @jasonday
    May 23 19:59
    back to the button vs link debate, an aria attribute would be helpful here - an indication of interactivity where navigation is not occurring. Something like aria-interactive="true"...
  20. Jason Day
    @jasonday
    May 23 20:00
    Maybe the screenreader announcement would be something like "link interactive (link text)"
  21. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    May 23 20:04
    Did I miss something?
  22. Jason Day
    @jasonday
    May 23 20:05
    am I responding to a conversation from yesterday?
  23. Jason Day
    @jasonday
    May 23 20:05
    entirely possible
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 20:16
    [cordelia] We talked about button/link on Friday, yep
  25. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 20:20
    [cordelia] Yeah, I kind of wish there were a generic HTML <action> element and you could specify type. <action type=“navigate”>Homepage</action>, <action type=“popup”>Open menu</action>, <action type=“submit”>Submit form</action>.
  26. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    May 23 20:23
    @cordelia, I’ve understood <button> to be that action element. It doesn’t necessistate a form, that I know of.
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 20:24
    [cordelia] Sure I think <button> achieves most of it, what I mean is I wish that <a> and <button> could be combined into one HTML element.
  28. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 20:28
    [cordelia] And that the type of action would be baked into the component. A lot of times it’s unclear if a button (in a non-form context) will modify the UI at all, take you to a new page, etc.
  29. Jason Day
    @jasonday
    May 23 20:43
    potentially, role could be effective (expanded) as we have several UI driven roles (i.e. tooltip). And in another vein, we have aria-haspopup - it feels like we have two models addressing UI, and there should be a singular approach that addresses UI modification in a more meaningful/granular way
  30. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    May 23 21:36
    If a button takes you to a new page it is a link.
  31. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 21:39
    [cordelia] The case we were discussing on Friday is if you have an element that takes you to a new page, but doesn’t have a discernible href (perhaps some JS needs to be called in order to figure out what page to go to next). You could use an anchor, but then user might try right-clicking/opening in new window.
  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 21:48
    [alice] @cordelia I dunno about that. I see what you're saying, but that seems to be edging into input-style polymorphism territory
  33. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 21:49
    [alice] Link gives you a bunch of functionality beyond 'navigate to on click', right?
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 21:49
    [alice] reads to the end of your last comment
  35. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 21:49
    [alice] basically that, yes :)
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 21:50
    [alice] I'm super curious to understand how you can end up in a situation where you don't know until the user clicks where they're going to go
  37. Michiel Bijl
    @MichielBijl
    May 23 21:58
    That sounds like an interesting situation.
  38. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 22:04
    [cordelia] I’ve encountered a few in the past. I’m curious, I haven’t worked on single page apps in a while, how do you do navigation there if the entire view swaps out but there’s no new URL?
  39. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 22:05
    [michiel] That sounds like the new URL is missing ;)
  40. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 22:05
    [michiel] Maybe marcysutton has some thoughts on this.
  41. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 22:07
    [marcysutton] I definitely saw a similar situation recently on a big client project: they use <a href=“#” ng-click=“controllerMethod()”> which calls some method to change the view as opposed to routing
  42. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 22:07
    [marcysutton] It is such a fine line in that case….. I recommended they change to ng-href and utilize routing to make the distinction more clear but I don’t think they will.
  43. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 23:09
    [michiel] Anyone else having trouble accessing FTP through TunnelBear?
  44. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 23 23:34
    you think i can use tunnelbear ;)
  45. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 23:51
    [michiel] Blocked by the corporate life I guess?
  46. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 23 23:52
    [michiel] Only one OS X machine in my house doesn't have TunnelBear, and that is for torrents :P