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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 8th of June 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. Thierry Koblentz
    @thierryk
    Jun 08 00:34
    Why not leaving it as a jump link to the menu? In my opinion, we should keep things as simple as possible.
  2. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 08 02:24
    [ry5n] @scottohara: Re: redundant placeholders, the case I’m thinking of is a search field with a loupe icon, visually-hidden label. Using “Search...” as a placeholder is so common now it’s useful, but as long as the icon has enough contrast it’s not needed to understand the element.
  3. Šime Vidas
    @simevidas_twitter
    Jun 08 03:09
    @thierryk A slide-in animation is, compared to “jump to bottom”, a clearer UI pattern (user is less likely to be confused).
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 08 03:35
    [scottohara] @ry5n: me thinks you at replied the wrong person :)
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 08 05:10
    [ry5n] Oops, sorry
  6. Thierry Koblentz
    @thierryk
    Jun 08 05:52
    @simevidas_twitter I don't think the visual pattern needs to dictate the markup. For SR users, the sliding effect is not relevant. In my opinion, it does not really matter if the trigger is a link or a button, the result is the same, it brings focus to the menu. I would also argue that a jump link can be bookmarked to offer a quick access to the menu (not the case with a button).
  7. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jun 08 12:27
    The gist of my question is, is it enough to add role="button" or do I need to actually replace the anchor with a <button>
  8. @simevidas_twitter its better to use a button if you can as its more robust, but if you do use <a role="button"> ensure that it follows the releavnt design pattern: http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#button
  9. if the link is acting as a link i.e. moving focus to a doc # fragment then using a link is fine
  10. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 08 13:28
    If someone just loads the URL with #menu in it (like if they right clicked and opened in a new tab) does the system know to open the nav?
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 08 13:30
    [scottohara] css :target could do that, for the browsers that support :target
  12. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 08 13:43
    if you can open/close it based just on click, sure. But sometimes you have a complex thing beyond that
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 08 13:48
    [scottohara] yes, agreed. but as this is framed around progressive enhancement, a simple open/close is probably all that is needed for a no-js solution
  14. [scottohara] in a situation where JS was available and the interaction was more complex. then of course :target wouldn’t be enough. but, then JS would be available, so the function could look to the URI to see if the #menu (or whatever it is) was there, and if so, run all the necessary, complex, things
  15. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 08 14:36
    So I just brought in the Gear VR I finally received in the mail from doing the promotion for getting the S7 and launched the Web VR examples for my co-workers to look at. One of them, knowing that I'm the a11y guy, asked how we would make that accessible.
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 08 16:26
    [marcysutton] @powersurg Chris Maury asked me to start thinking about that at CSUN, admittedly I haven’t had time
  17. [marcysutton] I am not familiar enough with the base way of interacting to even be able to make recommendations
  18. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 08 16:32
    With just the Gear VR I can select things with by gazing (something I have not gotten great at in the ~ hour I've used it as I accidentally select many things), or using the touchpad on the side of the headset. I do not yet have a remote, or a gamepad controller to try things with.