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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 10th of June 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jun 10 05:49
    Ya Firefox seems to work correctly. I found a Chromium bug for the issue I described. Hopefully they address it soon https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=153991&can=2&start=0&num=100&q=datalist&colspec=ID%20Pri%20M%20Stars%20ReleaseBlock%20Component%20Status%20Owner%20Summary%20OS%20Modified&groupby=&sort=
  2. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 07:43
    Good morning slackers. :coffee:
  3. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 10 07:59
    Moooorning @pkra!
  4. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 08:04
    \o/ @jvka
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 10 08:06
    [michiel] o/
  6. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 08:33
    hi michiel. is IRC the hip choice these days?
  7. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 10 08:33
    Aren't we all on IRC?
  8. I thought gitter was an IRC system deep down?
  9. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 08:33
    Sigh. VO+FF skipping over elements with aria-label + role=application.
  10. @jkva Ah, I didn't know.
  11. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 10 08:34
    @pkra: I'm not sure, though =)
  12. Hence the question marks :P
  13. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 08:35
    ... and when there's focus on the element, it reads the label.
  14. double sigh.
  15. Lazy question: Is it worth testing non-Safari browsers + VO on iOS?
  16. Sigh, VO+FF also doesn't support live regions.
  17. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 09:19
    Installing JAWS on a VM. A reliably questionable experience.
  18. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 10 09:20
    I still can't disassociate "blank" with "quack"
  19. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 10 09:21
    [michiel] Things not to say during performance review with Steve: “So how are you getting along with all your colleagues?” “I'm getting along with pretty much everybody, just that Steve guy is a pain…”
  20. [michiel] pkra: IRCCloud is just easier to manage all the different platforms than having to have three separate apps.
  21. [michiel] And I use IRC for W3C stuff anyway.
  22. [michiel] Just makes things easier :)
  23. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 09:38
    @michiel so the hip thing -- being all productive and stuff :wink2:
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 10 09:51
    [michiel] I was productive before it was cool.
  25. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 10:42
    I suppose it's a compliment that JAWS does some deep hack specifically for MathJax on IE, pushing its own math voicing solution and ignoring all standards-compliant ways for making the output accessible -- and then can't actually handle the MathML it extracts from MathJax leading to total bork. Sigh.
  26. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 10 10:51
    ewww
  27. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 10:52
    :poop:
  28. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 10 13:20
    It's always nice when things go out of there way to cause trouble
  29. also, IRC is where all the young kids are at these days, right?
  30. the cool ones at least
  31. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 14:20
    Whew.
  32. That was hellish.
  33. (NVDA+ JAWS + WindowEyes + VoiceOver + ChromeVox + ORCA) x (IE10 + IE11 + Edge + FF + Chrome + Safari) x (WinXP + WIn 7 + Win 8.1 + Win 10 + OSX 10.10 + iOS 9.1 + Ubuntu 16.04) = :fire:
  34. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 10 14:28
    what were you testing on XP?
  35. I figure if you were still testing XP you'd include IE 8-9 too
  36. Also, no Android? =/
  37. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 10 14:37
    What are your results like for chromevox on FF or orca on Win 7 ;)
  38. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 14:41
    @powesurg bad habit. I only tested NVDA + FF and Chrome since neither JAWS nor Window Eyes support XP anymore -- and our tool starts at IE10.
  39. @jnurthen :speak_no_evil:
  40. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 10 14:43
    lucky
  41. Google Analytics says that we had 113 hits for IE8 for the last 30 days yet it's still supported
  42. for us
  43. IE 11 makes up 85.96% of our IE traffic, that's good to see
  44. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 14:44
    @powrsurg it wasn't a thorough test ;-)
  45. MathJax can still support IE8 but the speech-rule-engine (part of this tool) does not.
  46. Basically, xpath is broken on IE. But starting with IE10 we can patch it.
  47. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 10 14:54
    figures
  48. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 14:58
    FWIW, now I've tested Chrome and FF on Android, too.
  49. Sadly, the result is not too shiny.
  50. but since we couldn't target mobile yet, it's a bit relative.
  51. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 10 15:02
    http://www.quirksmode.org/webviews/ might be useful to know for testing
  52. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 15:08
    nice.
  53. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 10 15:26
    Weekend =)
  54. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jun 10 15:44
    not quite there yet.
  55. enjoy @jkva
  56. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 10 15:45
    Thanks @pkra, hang in there... :)