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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 11th of June 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 11 07:18
    [jv] is it better to not to use placeholder attribute?
  2. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 11 08:09
    [dean] Folks - I’m looking for an example of an accessible navigation menu that would slide down from the top, Imagine tapping on “Mozilla” here, and a bunch of other items would slide down from the top - https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/ - anybody got any pointers?
  3. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 11 08:37
    @dean: Can't think of an example that exists, but if I wrote it, I would make it an accordion controlled by the "Mozilla" button, using aria-expanded
  4. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jun 11 08:47
    Hey @jkva didn't realise until yesterday that role=drinks started at 2pm. My flight wasn't arriving until after 2 so changed it to arrive in morning. Didn't want to miss anything 😜
  5. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 11 08:56
    @stevefaulkner: But what will you do until then :P
  6. @stevefaulkner I'm gonna be there an hour before to set things up etc
  7. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jun 11 09:05
    I will amuse myself
  8. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 11 09:52
    [michiel] Nasty
  9. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 11 09:52
    heh
  10. Hrm, wonder if I should register for https://events.withgoogle.com/progressive-web-app-dev-summit/registrations/new/ just to see what it's all aboot
  11. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 11 09:58
    Wow, a lot of google folk
  12. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 11 10:28
    [michiel] looks at url. sigh
  13. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 11 10:29
    Yep. Reading up on PWA and AMP, I really don't like what I see
  14. "Let's fix the shortcomings of the open web (that were largely created by turning webpages into bloated shit dependent on third party resources and bad practices to sell ads) by creating a further silo separation that we (Google) own"
  15. Wouldn't be surprised if it eventually will get a convenient method to add advertising
  16. And then I see tweets like this "https://twitter.com/Cennydd/status/740607146967085056"
  17. Mobile sites have terrible UX because they're slow and bloated, let's blame technology, not how it's built. Sigh.
  18. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 11 10:33
    [dean] Sorry more questions! - When JAWS states ‘wrapping to top’ but visually on screen it doesn’t show that, what could be causing that? dodgy JS?
  19. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 11 10:34
    Combining that with reading articles like https://hueniverse.com/2016/06/08/the-fucking-open-web/, which sounds strongly of "native is easier (heh) so I'll contribute to the demise of the open web instead of fixing the problem", maybe I just don't get it
  20. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 11 10:35
    When JAWS says "wrapping to top" it's saying "No next <whatever> found on the page"
  21. I don't recall if it actually moves to the top of the page though.
  22. NVDA just says no next whatever, haven't found if there's a way to make it wrap (which I like)
  23. So if I'm hitting "2" to go through h2's, when I'm at the last h2 on the page and I hit another two I'll get "wrapping to top" which tells me the next h2 I go to will be from the top, not a new next one.
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 11 10:37
    [dean] On the BBC when I jump through headers the page scrolls to the location, and at bottom it jumps back to the top. On another site I’m looking at, the audio announces it, but visibly it doesn’t scroll back up….
  25. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 11 11:01
    [michiel] stevefaulkner: was too long for tweet, but I like this stanza:
  26. [michiel] But suicides have a special language.
  27. [michiel] Like carpenters they want to know which tools.
    [michiel] They never ask why build.
  28. [michiel] In part because it also applies to accessibility; I don't think any of us ask ourselves the question “why make this accessible”. Even though we do get that question from others.
  29. @dean
  30. This ^^ may be helpful. Jaws is presenting a copy of the page to the user. The virtual cursor is not tied to the page focus in the browser
  31. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 11 21:23
    [dean] super useful, thanks @stevef