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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 17th of June 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 05:09
    [michiel] Morning slackers!
  2. [jv] morning
  3. [michiel] On my way to CSS Day :)
  4. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 17 05:32
    Evening.
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 05:34
    [michiel] Ello
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 07:25
    [michiel] I feel like I'm losing touch with developers: some dude talking about .btn-login and .btn-large etc on stage at cssday…
  7. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 08:08
    [michiel] Woohoo! Léonie on stage at CSS Day!
  8. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 17 13:18
    I'm reading through CSS Day tweets. How the heck did someone figure out how to do multi-page forms, add/remove to cart, and form validation in HTML emails?
  9. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Jun 17 13:44
    I believe they used a tesseract on loan from the government.
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 13:49
    [deborah_kaplan] Speaking of ways, pet, by the way, there is such a thing as form validation, said Mrs. Whatsit.
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 14:27
    [jv] there are many tools for color contrast checking
  12. [jv] but is there any tool which can also tell at font size which contrast is fine?
  13. [michiel] Brian: think it only worked in Apple Mail, or WebKit based clients anyway.
  14. [michiel] Just hide/show divs based on radio buttons.
  15. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 17 14:32
    okay, that makes sense. Every email client has different levels of poor support for CSS from what I've seen, though I would hope that that would eventually change
  16. at the very least email clients need to allow <style> blocks. I understand not allowing JS or external references
  17. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 17 15:11
    @jv I know aXe has font size logic (cause I have looked at the code). I would assume most of the others do too.
  18. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 17 15:18
    What would you guys actually use for a toggle button? I told my co-worker to use <button><img> and for him to use aria-pressed in it. Then I found http://files.paciellogroup.com/blogmisc/ARIA/togglebutton.html
  19. they should be the same I believe
  20. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 17 15:49
    And now VoiceOver for iOS is stuttering when trying to use our captions
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 16:49
    [marcysutton] @michiel: what’s wrong with .btn-login and .btn-large?
  22. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 18:53
    [bmeunier] 2016-06-17_14-49-53.png
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 18:59
    [kate] Make sure you only use 3rd party plugins that are accessible to send a message to all the 3rd party plugin makers?
  24. [bmeunier] ... ok. But if I don't have a choice?
  25. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 19:07
    [brunopulis] hmm… great question!
  26. [kate] does the plugin have some kind of api you could use to implement your own button?
  27. [kate] that triggers the same function?
  28. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 19:41
    [aharvard] @bmeunier: is the challenge to launch the feedback experience with a keyboard... or is the challenge to make the UI you see after clicking on feedback accessible?
  29. [aharvard] if it is just getting there with the keyboard, could you treat it like a “skip to content” link? then direct focus to the appropriate DOM node? or, have the skip link fire up the feedback UI
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 20:20
    [estelle] I wrote a blog post on Accessibility and Performance, and my upcoming velocity talk on the subject: https://www.instartlogic.com/blog/accessibility-performance#.V2MQ9mDGoWk.twitter
  31. [estelle] https://www.instartlogic.com/blog/accessibility-performance
  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 20:33
    [michiel] marcysutton: I'll get back in detail on Monday, but in short: it adds largely unnecessary classes. My biggest problem with the presenter however was that he was bashing tying CSS to DOM structure / elements.
  33. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 20:54
    [marcysutton] Any moderately sized org is going to need CSS classes.
  34. [marcysutton] But it’s out of context so &shrug;
  35. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 17 21:34
    just got the OK to go to TPAC again this year :)
  36. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Jun 17 22:38
    I’ve been including these visually hidden rules in sanitize.css as an accessibility enhancement, but it seems times have changed and people agree this should never work. Any objections before I remove it? 
    [hidden][aria-hidden="false"] {     clip: rect(0, 0, 0, 0);     display: inherit;     position: absolute; }  [hidden][aria-hidden="false"]:focus {     clip: auto; }
  37. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 17 22:58

    [karlgroves] > Any moderately sized org is going to need CSS classes.

    QFT