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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 20th of June 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 06:52
    [michiel] Morning slackers!
  2. [michiel] Thank you all who attended role=drinks <3
  3. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 07:04
    You're welcome 😉
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 07:14
    [michiel] hugs Job
  5. [michiel] Good job Job ;)
  6. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 07:42
    sad_trombone.png
  7. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 07:54
    [michiel] you forgot alt text :P
  8. [michiel] will see themselves out.
  9. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 08:01
    Evil :P
  10. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 08:20
    @Michiel Check: https://medium.com/@lassediercks/how-can-we-approach-accessibilty-42cfc24d9d81#.ukt6xe4br awesome!!
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 08:28
    [michiel] adds to reading list
  12. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 08:37
    [michiel] "The meetup was structured in lightning talks which are just talks that are 5 to 10 minutes long." Right :')
  13. [michiel] :P
  14. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 08:43
    Haha!
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 08:54
    [michiel] For those that weren't there, our “lightning” talks lasted—on average—about 20 minutes :P
  16. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 08:56
    And awesome talks they were =) Lovely vacation slides! :P
  17. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 10:15
    [dean] Great job all. Lovely tweets, and great pics.
  18. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 10:17
    Thanks @dean!
  19. Still can't believe how well it went =) everyone did a great job!
  20. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 10:20
    [dean] It’s brilliant to read the medium article. It sounds like someone went away with a new perspective.
  21. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 10:21
    Yeah, that's so awesome! Even creating his own spinoff. Couldn't have hoped for a better outcome
  22. jkva @jkva retires ;)
  23. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 10:22
    Got offers for speakers and venues, now working on sponsors
  24. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 11:55
    Any hints for some USA-related disability statistics? Asking for a friend =)
  25. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 12:51
    [michiel] Twitter is weird. You register, and immediately get blocked for behaving like a robot :O
  26. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 13:17
    [michiel] And so it begins (beers emoji) http://www.roledrinks.com
  27. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 13:27
    Unbelievable
  28. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 13:39
    (By which I mean awesome =) )
  29. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 20 13:49
    So I got the moto 360 sport smartwatch yesterday. Accessibility options were simply to enable triple tap to zoom, and audio feedback ... which I couldn't hear anything (maybe I needed a headset on for it)
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 20 14:59
    [michiel] Just saw the APG at the big stage at PWA summit thingy :O
  31. [michiel] That's pretty neat.
  32. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 15:02
    Nice!
  33. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 20 15:07
    How many conferences are there? It feels like I've been hearing about conferences for the last month.
  34. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 20 15:10
    unlimited conferences
  35. michiel and job are spawning m0aR
  36. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 20 17:20
    is there a role=drinks in August? I'm going to be in Amsterdam Aug6-11
  37. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jun 20 17:31
    @jnurthen Not planned, but that doesn't mean we can't hang out and drink!
  38. It would be nice to have one in August, but we don't know when or where yet
  39. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 20 18:16
    Am I right in assuming a "tab" roled thing isn't expected to be able to have a dropdown associated with it?
  40. I actually can't tell, I've never seen such a mule before.
  41. Some designers are thinking of using a "more (downarrow)" dropdown as a mobile solution to a tab panel where the width may not allow all the tabs.
  42. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 20 18:21
    ahhhhh - I've seen these many times.
  43. always a problem
  44. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 20 18:24
    I'm thinking if the screen is too small to handle such a number of tabs, then a tab-panel setup is no longer a good tool for presenting the information and should switch to something else. But I'm not sure what all types of software and situations they're using this for (these are redesigns often of existing things).
  45. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 20 18:25
    one of the problems is that depending on the functionality exposed to the user there may be a different number of tabs
  46. the huge number is normally when ALL the functionality is exposed which isn't normaLLY the case
  47. our JET ones (which are offline at the moment as they are upgrading to the new version) don't do this but will scroll through the tabs (overflow type)
  48. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 20 18:27
    A kind of scrolling was option #1 listed in the design spec, yeah.
  49. the "more" thing was #2.
  50. From the picture they sent with it, this is a navigation menu but with that apparently-necessary hipster single-page-app thing going.
  51. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 20 18:30
    I've done the popup menu thing before... I forget what we actually did. I'll have to go find a URL for the application... I seem to recall it was in Siebel OpenUI
  52. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 20 18:34
    But did the popup-button otherwise have the behaviour of the other tabs-- did you cycle through them with keyboard, etc?
  53. I can tell from the desciption that these are not focus-activated tabs, but users will need to explicitly hit Enter to select it-- except the dropdown, this opens the dropdown and selecting one of those shows their associated panel.
  54. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 20 18:34
    I can't remember... was a long time ago... it can't be part of the tablist as it isn't an allowed child
  55. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 20 18:35
    I'm a bit tempted to instead build for them a traditional navigation menu except they're in-page links and content changes under them somewhat like tabs.
  56. Then I don't have incorrect roles and we could use translated text for stating the "current" item is selected/open/displaying.
  57. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 20 18:36
    I would be tempted just to arrow to the child entries directly for a keyboard user and then hide the button from keyboard/a11y users completely
  58. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 20 18:36
    I suspect they got the idea for #2, the "more" dropdown, from things like responsive menus like on the BBC etc
  59. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Jun 20 18:36
    just let pointer users do it from the button
  60. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jun 20 18:36
    how would a sighted keyboarder see the options hidden behind the button?
  61. or do you mean with the #1 scroller method?
  62. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jun 20 20:51
    https://www.ephox.com/tinymce-enterprise-update-benefits-accessibility-users-brings-atmentions/
  63. This makes me sad that an accessibility checker is an enterprise only offering