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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 4th of July 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:03
    Morning folks
  2. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:04
    [michiel] Morning fellow human
  3. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:07
    http://i.imgur.com/nl8lVgv.gif
  4. alt="America celebrating the 4th with guns and hamburgers, to Britain's dismay. [comic]"
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:11
    [michiel] Don't forget the hotdogs!
  6. [michiel] :P
  7. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:16
    Morning slackers.
  8. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:19
    Morning [pkra]
  9. Woops, old Perlmonks habit
  10. [name] linked to a user node
  11. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:21
    :)
  12. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 08:21
    morn
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:22
    [michiel] Good morning [name^="jk"]:not([name$="av"])
  14. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:22
    Morning @stevefaulkner
  15. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:22
    morning, steve.
  16. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:22
    @michiel you're getting good at regexes! Want to borrow my Perl books? ;)
  17. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:23
    [michiel] Haha, that's just CSS selectors :P
  18. [michiel] Although the :not should've read iss to avoid saying good morning to Jason :P
  19. [michiel] jkiss:
  20. [michiel] Oh he is in here too :O
  21. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:26
    @michiel: Yeah, but they're clearly based on regexes when designed, which is pretty cool
  22. It'd be awesome if I could have real regexes for selectors, but speed might suffer
  23. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:30
    So here's a stupid question: in theory/spec (ignoring implementations yadayada), should an aria-label interfere with the accessible-name calculation for "its" children? I thought it shouldn't but I've become confused by expert reactions.
  24. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:36
    @pkra: interesting question. I wouldn't expect it to influence an elements children when used. What do experts say?
  25. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:36
    Or maybe it's more subtle, e.g., they sometimes can but not always.
  26. @jkva ah, it's more the silence.
  27. I asked a question on the ARIA WG tracker and 3 months later it's still not answered :-)
  28. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:37
    @pkra I can't think of an example when a parent element aria-defined label would influence its children accessible name in any way. Unless there is something specifically defined towards a parent-child relationship
  29. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:38
    Thanks, Job.
  30. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:38
    But in any other context I wouldn't see why a parent's name could be in any way inferred to deal with its children's name
  31. @pkra I'm just some guy, ask @michiel, he works on the spec :P
  32. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:38
    everything I could find would point in that direction.
  33. Well, he was on that issue ;-)
  34. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:39
    @pkra are you still planning to ever give that Math a11y talk? For a future meetup? I think Michiel sined for it, and I can cosine :P
  35. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:39
    I guess I should just repeat the question :D
  36. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:39
    If at first you don't succeed... bug people
  37. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:40
    Yes, I was planning to do this. Stommes-Poes had asked me on the twitters about August or October. Is that more fix now? Then there was also something potentially in Hamburg? (Which would be slightly more convenient but not as much fun as Amsterdam.)
  38. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:40
    Hamburg is a different chapter :P
  39. Don't trust StommePoes, she's crazy
  40. But in all seriousness, we're working on a wordpress-centered a11y meetup (design and usability) and in August (when @jnurthen is in Amsterdam) there might be a role=drinks (but I have to discuss that with @michiel)
  41. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:42
    that sounds cool. I'm not planning anything yet in August.
  42. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:47
    Is there a way to scroll this conversation part with arrow keys on gitter?
  43. I hate trying to use a mouse to grab this tiny hard to grab hard to see bar
  44. I keep losing it and accidentally clicking on crap on the right side (why is there a right side? i never use it)
  45. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:48
    @StommePoes page-up
  46. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:48
    zomg awesome
  47. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:48
    Yes! 5 husband points for @jkva
  48. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:49
    Twitter solved the "no-alt-text-on-mobile-twitter" for Nokia users by degading them to "feature-phone twitter"
  49. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:49
    Otherwise, a scroll wheel or touchpad scroll, when available
  50. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:49
    No this touchpad doesn't scroll
  51. thank god
  52. pages would be going all over the place every time I tried to type
  53. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:49
    Yeah I recall. Should just get you a macbook
  54. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:50
    don't those have freaky touchpads?
  55. I don't want a freaky touchpad
  56. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:50
    Yeah, two-finger = scroll
  57. So you don't accidentally trigger
  58. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:50
    I can't memorise 500 different ways of fingers smearing across a square what they all do
  59. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:50
    Sure you can, you confident cat you
  60. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:50
    [michiel] pkra Lasse is working with Stefani and some other people to get something setup in Hamburg.
  61. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:50
    Is it getting used to? Yes, yes it is.
  62. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:51
    I can't find out, if I bought a machine running Windows 10 today, if I could get that bash shell or if that's still for previewers/insiders
  63. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:51
    [michiel] jkva: fronteers is October no?
  64. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:51
    @michiel A-yup
  65. 6-7
  66. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:52
    [michiel] So, role=drinks 8th of October? :P
  67. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:52
    Definitely!
  68. But also August when @jnurthen is here?
  69. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:53
    who else can we get here for then?
  70. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Jul 04 08:53
    @ michiel so I've heard!
  71. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:53
    @dean gee if only we knew someone who could maybe give a demo of something like proloquo.... :P
  72. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:53
    [michiel] August could be cool, not sure I can make it though.
  73. [michiel] is saving for September.
  74. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 08:54
    what is september?
  75. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:55
    [michiel] Weekend in Lisbon, TPAC, wedding in Italy, TPG week in Brighton, weekend in Brighton…
  76. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:55
    My birthday
  77. Wedding?!
  78. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:55
    [michiel] Mathilde and I figured it would be good to just go away every weekend in September :P
  79. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:55
    Wait, who's wedding
  80. *whose
  81. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:56
    [michiel] A colleague of Mathilde :)
  82. jkva @jkva puts the whisky back in the box
  83. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:56
    [michiel] Haha
  84. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 08:57
    FYI - HTML validator now checks for presence/correct lang attribute https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/749858990411112448
  85. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:57
    [michiel] And because I'm going to TPAC might as well go there a bit early and play tourist with Mathilde.
  86. [michiel] Same in Brighton after the TPG week :)
  87. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:57
    Why do you move to Oxford if you travel all the time, you're worse than @SinaBahram ;)
  88. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:58
    [michiel] Hey, I'll travel to DUtchyland for role=drinks in October if we manage to organise that ;)
  89. [michiel] Is Fronteers conf in Amsterdam?
  90. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 08:59
    Yes
  91. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 08:59
    [michiel] Okay, so probably want to do role=drinks there again then?
  92. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:00
    Sounds like a plan =)
  93. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:03
    The point of hanging a role-drinks off a conference is being physically close to that conference so people who went to it can also hit role-drinks
  94. but otherwise it would be good to have something in Utrecht... maybe at igluu
  95. I floated the idea to Ingrid here and she thought it could be a possibility
  96. and I think here it would be small enough
  97. number of people
  98. 8th day of no shampoo.
  99. Going well.
  100. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:05
    Oh sweet
  101. The igluu opening, I mean
  102. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:05
    Yeha it's by the janskerk so close to the centrum
  103. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:05
    And don't forget De Kamer's option
  104. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:05
    Utrecht centraal's also messed up currently
  105. Shes in brabant tho right?
  106. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:05
    Tell me when it isn't
  107. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:06
    oh yeah we need to get her to one of the other role-drinkses
  108. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:06
    She lives in Oosterhout, I dunno where her coworking space is
  109. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:06
    So... if jnurthen is just a relaxed role-drinks, do we still do one with rian later then?
  110. or at the august one?
  111. jkva @jkva adds it to the to-do trello board
  112. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:06
    i thought it was in brabant somewhere
  113. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:06
    Rian does a whole talk
  114. Which we combine with the deaf-blind Wordpress user
  115. So we deal with a11y and usage
  116. Two talks, one meetup
  117. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:08
    [jkiss] @michiel: Good evening. Sweet dreams.
  118. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:08
    At least that's the plan...
  119. @jkiss Evenin!
  120. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:08
    [michiel] waves at jkiss
  121. [michiel] https://twitter.com/roledrinks/status/749892484780752896
  122. [michiel] Let's see if we can get dean this time :P
  123. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:11
    jkva do we want rian then at the fronteers one? if she and the other speaker can do that date? or they speak in aug?
  124. dean for oct would also be cool
  125. gives him some time to come up with something :P
  126. because eva is correct that lots of ppl are gone in aug.
  127. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:12
    [michiel] Well, I don't want to cut into Job's plans. And role=drinks should be short talk again.
  128. [michiel] If you ask me that is.
  129. [michiel] Even shorterish than last time.
  130. [michiel] And we can only hope Jake has visited some event shortly before it so he can show more pictures of food.
  131. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:14
    maybe jake can be a regular thing: Jake's Vacation Slideshow
  132. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:15
    [michiel] =D
  133. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:15
    he'll need a lot of vacations tho
  134. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:17
    @michiel Only plans I have right now is for a Wordpress-themed idea11y meeting with Rian and $other_speaker, likely in September. In the meantime I'm busy trying to reach appliance/industrial designers to give a talk on industria11y.
  135. jkva @jkva has to contact a bunch of colleges today for leads
  136. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:18
    But, @vasilis might also know people
  137. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:18
    ok I like that, rian + $speaker in Sept. ppl should be able to come
  138. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:18
    [dean] Uhhhhh I’m in Budapest - It’s the Amuse UX conference
  139. [dean] :(
  140. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:18
    @dean When are you in Budapest?
  141. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:18
    so then informal role-drinks when jnurthen is in a'dam, and possibly role-drinks or idea11y or both after fronteers
  142. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:18
    [dean] Oct 4 - 10
  143. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:18
    Yeah. sweats
  144. @dean Ah, that's too bad :(
  145. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:19
    we're going to try to take the train in budabest to cluj
  146. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:19
    That conference sounds good
  147. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:19
    soon as I'm able to order tickets
  148. amuseux?
  149. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:19
    @StommePoes Bucharest. Bucharest !== Budapest
  150. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:19
    [dean] Amuse? Yes, it’s excellent. I went last year too.
  151. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:19
    oh woops
  152. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:20
    At some point when I am rich I'm going to the NNGroup UX conf
  153. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:20
    [michiel] jkva: ah okay, well, Rian and $other_speaker are of course welcome :P
  154. [michiel] StommePoes: unorganised one in August, organised one in October?
  155. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:20
    rian will likely go to any other role-drinkses, she's been along so far
  156. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:20
    Rian++
  157. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:21
    that makes sense, if fronteers means more people then there needs to be something organisy
  158. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:21
    [dean] I’ve been to the NNG UX conf Job, it’s okay
  159. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:21
    @dean Amuse is better in your opinion?
  160. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:21
    what sucked about it NNG?
  161. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:24

    [dean] It’s not that it sucked, it’s just hugely expensive, and the presentations are pretty much based around research papers - they will go into why the hamburger icon is terrible, and show all of the research around it - which is good, but it’s nothing that I hadn’t already seen before. If anything the NNG conf made me realise that I know what I’m talking about.

    Amuse just had 10-12 really interesting speakers which covered a broad range of topics, a lot focussed on ‘whats coming next’, which was really interesting - 3 talks related to No UI and the Internet of Things

  162. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:25
    Amuse is surprisingly affordable
  163. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:25
    [dean] Budapest is too
  164. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:25
    As long as you stay away from the packs of stray dogs hunting at night ;)
  165. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:25
    [dean] It was their first year and I was shocked at the calibre of talks, and how well put together it was
  166. [dean] It’s run by Prezi
  167. [dean] ….anyway… I’ll be there in October ;)
  168. [dean] will pimp out the Inclusive Design & Accessibility group tonight at Amsterdam UX
  169. [michiel] thumbsup emoji
  170. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:28
    w00tw00t
  171. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:29
    so is it decided yet what role-drinks is? is it the informal version of idea11y and focussed more on alcohol than idea11y?
  172. where role-drinks has short talks and idea11y has full 40min-1hr talks?
  173. and that role-drinks may get scheduled based on when people can get together and drink, while idea11y tries to be a semi-regular more typical meetup?
  174. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:30
    [michiel] Yeah I think that is the plan :)
  175. jkva @jkva nods
  176. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:30
    I don't see why we can't have both but we don't want either to get messed up by clobbering each other
  177. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:31
    Yeah they complement eachother if we do it right
  178. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:31
    [rianrietveld] lurking and wondering when she will be scheduled to to a talk
  179. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:31
    but I don't also see why the idea11y meetup page can't list role-drinks gatherings or the role-drinks page for nl can't state (if a date/speaker is known) the next idea11y
  180. hehe we're not sure yet, Job thinks September... Eva worries aug is full of people being gone and vacationing
  181. But that also kinda depends on, if there's one in sept, when, and how do we not conflict with whatever you have in Sept Rian
  182. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:33
    Very likely first week of Sept @rianrietveld. I was gonna message you today, but since you're here... :)
  183. Yeah
  184. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:33
    What about $other_speaker?
  185. did we know when they could talk?
  186. Do I know $other_speaker?
  187. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:33
    No, Eva does
  188. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:33
    ok
  189. It's very cool to get more Deaf involved, they have much less presence in tech/a11y stuff
  190. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:34
    [rianrietveld] in the week 5/9 septemberfor
  191. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:35
    https://twitter.com/grossie2010
  192. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:36
    gitter broke the last one
  193. oh is this the speaker?
  194. looks like iacobien also knows him
  195. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:38
    [rianrietveld] I know him too
  196. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:38
    Awesome
  197. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:38
    if he's a wordpresser, that's not surprising :P
  198. I figure y'all know each other
  199. The wordpress world
  200. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:39
    It'd be great then to have next meetup promoted in Wordpress scene
  201. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:39
    the one in sept?
  202. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:39
    Yeah
  203. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:39
    not the meetup role-drinks with jnurthen in aug
  204. ok
  205. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:39
    If that date works with @speakers
  206. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:39
    5-9 ?
  207. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:40
    [rianrietveld] this is his WP site http://www.doofblinden.net
  208. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:40
    Ok first one is, do we do a weekday or a weekend? both can be difficult for people
  209. ah oogvereniging
  210. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:40
    [rianrietveld] I can’t 5-9
  211. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:40
    @rianrietveld What would work?
  212. Sidenote: Planning meetups in the slackers channel. What a life.
  213. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:41
    The date has to work for the speakers first
  214. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:41
    Well yeah
  215. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:41
    [rianrietveld] anything before of after that, I’m actually in the middle of a job application and that week I maybe traveling
  216. [michiel] Haha, we're transparent, like the glass of our drinks…
  217. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:41
    Transparent like Vodka
  218. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:41
    [rianrietveld] cheers
  219. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:42
    Ok, 2nd week of Sept
  220. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:42
    [rianrietveld] yes
  221. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:43
    Cool, I'll sync up
  222. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 09:43
    johan via eva?
  223. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:44
    Yeah, just did
  224. A future subject I'd like, is accessible minimal design. For instance, how to create an outline style that works for the user, but doesn't conflict with the design of a site. That sort of stuff. Labels that work, and fit the surrounding aesthetics
  225. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:46
    [rianrietveld] @stommepoes: Not really Oogvereniging, a group within
  226. [rianrietveld] Ivo de Boer is a good designer for a11y sites, he might have some good points of view about that Job
  227. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:48
    Nice! Adding to the list. Thanks @rianrietveld :)
  228. Hmm, I checked his Twitter recently, not sure how I learned about him
  229. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:54
    [dean] I’m p. sure all of these events are being organised when I’m out of town ;) - I’m in Norway end of August to early September, then off to Communication Matters in Leeds straight after.
  230. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:54
    Nigel Farage resigns, wtf
  231. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:55
    [rianrietveld] Ivo designed game-accessibility.com and vught.nl
  232. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:55
    Ah sweet!
  233. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 09:56
    [rianrietveld] ATH
  234. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 09:57
    Sorry?
  235. Rian Rietveld
    @RRWD
    Jul 04 10:03
    http://www.rfwireless-world.com/Terminology/modem-AT-commands.html

    olddev

  236. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 04 10:04
    Ah, right =)
  237. 73 ;)
  238. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 10:05
    @dean can you show up for a role-drinks when jnurthen is in A'dam? first wk aug In believe
  239. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 10:21
    from Wrise product page: "Save your preferred font, size and colors, and apply it instantly to any text with EasyReading Mode™ without affecting the original text formatting." I can imagine the amount of encoding issues that have been coded around for this being... amazingly large
  240. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 11:43
    [dean] sorry! yes
  241. [dean] If you have any Q’s about Wrise let me know, one of the devs is sat nearby ;)
  242. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 13:07
    s/he's not one of those crazy unicode guys like matthias bynens is s/he?
  243. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 15:18
    FYI - HTML validator now checks for presence/correct lang attribute https://twitter.com/stevefaulkner/status/749858990411112448
  244. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 16:38
    [cameron] who's doing work in accessibility for cognitive disability/dementia?
  245. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 16:45
    [michiel] I think you can find something in the search here. It has been discussed/requested before. Might find some names in there :)
  246. [michiel] Of course, there is also the coga work group thingy somewhere.
  247. [cameron] thanks @michiel, I'll review
  248. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 04 18:38
    \o/ the Chrome skip-link bugfix is finally, just today, in my chromium
  249. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 18:55
    @cameron https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/
  250. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 04 20:23
    [cameron] thanks Steve!
  251. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jul 04 20:45

    Hey Slackers, I am working on an accessible quiz about accessibility to help our students at Thinkful with semantics. (We've been getting loads of formless user input, no labels, listening to clicks on a button instead of a form submit issues lately)

    Anyways, I'm not sure if something I am doing for ScreenReader considerations is "weird". I've been using a combination of aria-hidden="true" and .visually-hidden text to control how screen readers read certain likes, for example "Question 5. " instead of 5) 

    <legend><span aria-hidden="true">1) </span><span class="visually-hidden">Question 1. </span>Does accessibility&nbsp;rock?</legend>

    https://jpdevries.github.io/a11y-quiz/

  252. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 21:39
    @jpdevries not weird, but wonder why you think you need to have different text for SR users in the case?
  253. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jul 04 21:40
    certain things just don't seem to "read right" having it just say 1 and then the question, without saying question for example
  254. maybe "18:00" vs "6pm" as another example
  255. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 21:41
    Also why not just use visually hidden Css to add "question" before the number? Or include question as part of visible text?
  256. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jul 04 21:42
    good point, that would work
  257. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 21:43
    Only suggestions btw 😀
  258. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jul 04 21:44
    I like that one, I didn't add the "question" part until later so that didn't even cross my mind.
  259. I think I was worried it would read or enunciate the ) diffrently but it doesn't seem to
  260. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 21:44
    Going to bed 😴
  261. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jul 04 21:44
    and even if it did i could aria-hidden that i suppose
  262. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 04 21:45
    I would keep it as simple as possible
  263. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jul 04 21:45
    g' night @stevefaulkner. thanks!