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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 5th of July 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 05:08
    [michiel] Morning fellow humanoids!
  2. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 05 06:26
    =_=
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 06:55
    [michiel] waves at jkva
  4. [michiel] Do you think it would make sense to do role=drinks in the same venue? Was pretty accessible and reachable by public transport right.
  5. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 05 06:57
    ImpactHub? Um, we could, but that makes r=d pretty pricey each time
  6. I would consider it as a fallback for when we can't find a venue
  7. @michiel ^
  8. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 06:59
    [michiel] Yeah that makes sense.
  9. [michiel] I'll see what I can muster.
  10. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 05 06:59
    ezCompany offered ;)
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 07:00
    [michiel] That's not really in Amsterdam now is it :P
  12. [michiel] But there are still some offers from last time we might be able to pick up on.
  13. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 05 07:04
    I'm gonna be mailing with Voorhoede anyway - I can also ask them about Oct
  14. @michiel ^
  15. @dean ping
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 07:13
    [michiel] Okay, they're the ones in north right?
  17. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 05 07:16
    @michiel Amsterdam Southwest
  18. https://www.google.nl/maps/place/De+Voorhoede+%7C+Front-end+Development/@52.3427942,4.8450227,13.98z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x47c5e21d502d2d59:0xbf570944a96ebf45!8m2!3d52.3477962!4d4.8507648
  19. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 08:36
    They're not far from a bus stop and the busses there go to one of the smaller amsterdam stations and there's parking
  20. the door has a big lock tho, has to be during when there's someone staffing
  21. there is an elevator but dunno if they have rolstoel toilets
  22. voorhoede is upstairs
  23. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 08:43
    @jpdevries I have to wonder why one assumes SR-users can't figure stuff out from context when sighties can?
  24. If anything, regular SR-users have exercised that part of their brains way more :P
  25. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jul 05 08:46
    @StommePoes that is a good point, and something I wonder also. I still think it is better to read aloud "Heading Level 6" then <h6> or "Paragraph" instead of <p> for a question like "Which is the least semantic of the following HTML tags?" though
  26. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 05 08:51
    paragraphs are not voiced afaik
  27. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 09:04
    that's up to the reader anyway, what it says when it encounters something.
  28. But my question is, why can sighties know that a list of questions means each question is a question?
  29. and why can't SR users figure that out the same way?
  30. It means sighties can skim the questions as they already know they're a question while someone skimming them with an SR gets the repetition of "question, question, question"
  31. @stevefaulkner I believe the <p> is one of the answers of a multiple choice question.
  32. Why did the people at work put an onClick listener on the h3 of our calendar? why? why? arg.
  33. Time to get out the a11y-billyclib
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 10:03
    [michiel] Is there any SR that announces paragraphs? VoiceOver doesn't.
  35. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:07
    you can navigate by them is it, I think.
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 10:08
    [heidi] hi all. Re: consistent identification (3.2.4), does styling influence this at all? i.e. tabs that look differently across pages, but are all marked up consistently as tabs with aria
  37. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:08
    Yeah, it should be considered an influence.
  38. If users need to guess, and don't happen to have a screen reader handy to tell them What Is This Thing and What Does It Do, then, yeah.
  39. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 10:09
    [heidi] Would you consider it a failure or more a suggestion/best practice to be visually consistent?
  40. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:10
    My first time running into tabs, they were perfectly JS'd and marked up, but I (and the screen reader user who was paired up with me) struggled badly on them: they were styled to look like links for some reason, so I was tabbing and shift-tabbing like mad and feeling even more the moron than i normally do. The SR user had no idea how tabs worked.
  41. It might depend on the particular widget. A navigation menu looking wildly different per page could be a fail just on cognitive reasons.
  42. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 10:11
    [heidi] Yes my personal inclination is faily fail fail. But not sure it’s correct to fail just based on visuals - “identification” is a slippery term.
  43. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:12
    There are those who would ask: would someone, because they have a disability, be unable to use this <whatever> because of this visual inconsistancy? I'm personally broader than that, but that's probably the question most people would have you ask yourself/your team.
  44. it is, and it might require user testing-- did users with disabilities consistently fail to be able to use the <whatever>? Or consistently were slowed/prone to mistakes they otherwise would not make?
  45. which is not easy to just whip out (user testing)
  46. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 10:14
    [heidi] Thanks - good to be reminded that these criteria are meant to be based in practicality vs. philosophy.
  47. [heidi] cheers stomme!
  48. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:14
    another poor soul sent down the wrong dark alley by stomme poes... bring ammo
  49. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 10:16
    [heidi] Ha! No I think asking those questions is totally the way to go. Step back and think about it that way.
  50. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:18
    you might be eaten by a grue
  51. jkva @jkva hands @heidi a brass lantern
  52. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:20
    There is btw a service for (remote-only) testing with users with disabilities... via Loop11, they've hooked up with Knowability to offer a version of the usual Loop11 remote testing but here with users with disabilities.
  53. http://www.loop11.com/web-accessibility-connecting-your-business-to-web-users-with-disabilities/
  54. I can only view that page if I tab through the links for some reason
  55. you have to tab past this big banner thing
  56. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 10:23
    [heidi] oh, that’s great
  57. JP DeVries
    @jpdevries
    Jul 05 10:32
    @StommePoes for the quiz, it’s more I’m trying to control what available answers are read aloud (as HTML content), not how certain HTML elements are read when encountered (see question 5 for example) https://jpdevries.github.io/a11y-quiz/
  58. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:33
    ug the temp fix I have for using my left arrow to open context menus still performs the first click anyway
  59. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Jul 05 10:38
    The A, B, C is confusing
  60. but I could just be stupid
  61. ignore me
  62. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 05 11:20
    Delft Technical Uni is putting me into contact with their industrial design division, w00t #meetup
  63. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 11:58
    [michiel] Rule #32 - enjoy the little things: https://twitter.com/MichielBijl/status/750267779224403968
  64. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Jul 05 12:21
    @michiel Is it like the stories we've been told
  65. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jul 05 12:32
    [michiel] Yeah, but it's even better in real life :P
  66. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Jul 05 19:44
    https://www.articulate.com/support/storyline-2/storyline-is-508-compliant
  67. Is it bad that I found it amusing that the VPAT is linked with a "click here"
  68. ?
  69. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jul 05 20:06
    irony