so I just tried testing my memory game in Silk with VoiceView (Kindle's screen reader), and in Narrator on my Windows Phone 8. Neither support role="alert" it seems.
And VoiceView has a fun bug where when you tried to activate the Kindle's notification pulldown it automatically closes on you. I had to use the search bar and type Settings to launch the Kindle settings to turn off VoiceView
@sophieschoice I have Dragon for Mac and it's terrible. Unusable to browse the web - hence I also bought the windows version. Which only seems to want to work well with IE.
I'm giving it the benefit of the doubt - longtime users told me it's supposed to work well on mac, but there are also known bugs where certain commands aren't understood.
On windows I must say that when controlling IE, it works really well. Hardly have to correct or spell.
That article is a bit older. It says that if you pay more then $99 you're paying too much. On Dragon's website it lists it at $174 (on sale!). Is that "$99 is too much" statement outdated, or am I missing a discount somewhere.
Of course, I think we're upgrading to Windows 10 in the next week (since the cut off is a week from today). Hopefully some of that stuff works there, or works after the update from MS
[krisbulman] re the JAWS convo much earlier and license violation on using the time limited copy for dev testing purposes, I spoke with Matt Ater and he confirmed it's true. So sad/annoying. I inquired further on what licenses would be appropriate for such tasks: "We offer several license options. JAWS can be purchased as a multi-user license for multiple of 5 users. It can also be used as concurrent licenses. Additionally, we sell it as a single user license. Finally, we have a 90-Day license that works well for companies who are doing limited testing. The 90-day option is $179.00."
Concurrent users. We have a server with concurrent licenses. Jaws connects to the license server and uses a license. It releases it when the user exits Jaws.
[almerosteyn] IMO it is hard enough to get people to care about a11y and a11y testing. One should keep to license agreements but it certainly raises the adoption barrier.
@krisbulman for work I bought a copy of JAWS. It was 3000 euros
I am not exaggerating.
Though that was with the 2 year SMA, but without that it was 2,600-something still
And yeah, I used JAWS with the 40-minute demo for years and I did know the EULA says not to. Oh well. It meant when I bought it, I could pretty much just turn it on and use it.
If you're in the US, you can get JAWS much, much, much cheaper... I've heard around 800 dollars from some people. Since I'm mostly testing US-audience software, paying extra for soft-g Belgian voices I didn't need was pretty disappointing.
You have to be in the US to do that though... Freedom Scientific demands users buy from their "local dealers"
I think you can follow the EULA and use the 40 minute demo to get familiar with using JAWS and/or "a screen reader", learn how it works and what it can do. Using it for paid testing is what the EULA (at least at the time) says.
@powrsurg I would get work to buy you Dragon. There is Windows Speech Recognition for Windows but it's def a lesser product.
WSR is free/built in.
Use NVDA to test, and read blogs/tests/etc to keep up with current bugs in JAWS.
I paid 200-something for Dragon.
$200 for a physical shipment of DNS, plus $20 for a training CD, $40 shipping so $260 dollars. plus I had to pay something to FedEx for some duty
So the cheapest way to get Dragon is the download.
The box isn't even awesome. The JAWS box on the other hand is def awesome-- shiny and looks like the old software boxes you'd get in the 90's for OSes and games and things.
Once I started trying to go to many Pearson-specific URLs I started adding to my dictionary just to not go insane. But if nothing in Eric's list seems like a must-have for you then Home it is.
Most peeps at Pearson have some convoluted Oracle system they use for both time sheets and getting stuff for work... luckily the netherlands hasn't jumped on board yet, I just buy stuff like a normal person and send the bill to Amsterdam
Well, I thought originally that I did have to use it, because someone made a login for me. I had to choose how to get my money back, there were 4 options. 2 were about getting money back from travel or from driving a car/miles.
hmmm - i don't see that... maybe cause i've shopped with them before
my challenge for the day... how long can i do before accidentally clicking on the JAWS update dialog which reboots my computer whether I say OK or click the close button.
I really like some of them... When I do training in different countries I use the localized version of JAWS (i.e. in India I use Veena as most people in the room found it easier to understand than my normal synthesizer)
(and you can also change to "Lee" to make JAWS sound like @stevefaulkner )
[michiel] Can you formulate the question in a different way?
[michiel] I would guess they look at <br>'s and how the text is actually rendered.
[jiatyan] Will do. I'm evaluating a site on Mac, and I don't know how Windows screen readers treat text which appear on screen as "this is a puppy" but actually has line breaks between every word in the html code.
[jiatyan] VoiceOver controls moves through each word one by one, rather than treating it as a paragraph. So effectively I have to press VO+arrow many many times to read one paragraph of text. I'm wondering if it is the same behaviour in JAWS or NVDA.
[jiatyan] Visually, Safari formats this chunk of text as a single paragraph.
Gitter Channel Archive 22nd of July 2016
