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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 16th of August 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 13:40
    [michiel] Don't forget, tomorrow is role=drinks in Hamburg! http://www.roledrinks.de/
  2. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 14:34
    bier en a11y, la la-la la la!
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 14:43
    [michiel] Haha
  4. [michiel] And if you're looking for something in the Netherlands, there is another role=drinks on the 8th of October: http://www.roledrinks.nl
  5. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 14:56
    <Father Jack>Drrrrrrink!</FJ>
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 14:56
    [michiel] alt=Planet Express t-shirt (Futurama) https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/VAm4QfFG/IMG_1536.JPG
  7. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 14:56
    nice
  8. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 14:56
    [michiel] =D
  9. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 16 15:23
    where can I get that?
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 15:58
    [marcysutton] Random question from someone who emailed me: does anyone do accessible maps well? Especially if a map has lots of points? I would think an alternative representation like a list might help...
  11. [marcysutton] That could also extend to interactive graphics like the ones at major newspapers but I am particularly curious about maps with geolocation data.
  12. [jv] there is a startup which aim to make google map accessible
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 16:14
    [marcysutton] Oh yes, I remember this
  14. [marcysutton] That also reminds me of the AccessMap - http://www.accessmapseattle.com/
    But I am still curious in the context of building maps into websites, to be able to answer this person's question
  15. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 16:15
    Also Christopher Toth got a suggestion when he asked "what should I fix next with a11y?" to do maps. Maybe he will :P Victor Zuydweg made something... maybe it was keyboard only? for the government in NL
  16. I can ask @zVZuydweg
  17. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 16:17
    [marcysutton] I am imagining something in between this keyboard navigation demo https://www.christianheilmann.com/2016/08/15/better-keyboard-navigation-with-progressive-enhancement/ and Doug Scheper's Describler http://describler.com/#intro
  18. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 16:19
    I'm not even sure... with a map, how the keyboard should even go
  19. discrete tabs because users should find certain things? Or a free-for-all grid where possibly they'll miss the whatever but can explore anywhere using arrows
  20. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 16:19
    [marcysutton] There would have to be shortcuts to escape the millions of points.
  21. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 16:20
    might depend on the map
  22. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 16:20
    [marcysutton] totally.
  23. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 16:21
    I think starting with the kinds of maps they have of buildings (elevators, toilets, stairs, exits, rooms with names) would be a good kind of map to play around with stuff
  24. people want to find most of those things, but maybe you'd choose to either explore, or choose an item from the legend and get moved there
  25. like a museum map
  26. or the map of the hotel at CSUN
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 16:31
    [michiel] marcysutton: iOS does maps pretty well.
  28. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 16 16:44
    So my co-worker just asked me to playtest a game he made in Unity for a client (he didn't do anything special for it and just used the defaults). Totally inaccessible. Even the fullscreen button is just an image with an onclick handler. :(
  29. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 17:11
    [marcysutton] yikes :(
  30. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 16 17:21
    I get it, most webgl/canvas stuff isn't accessible, but the button thing made me sad ...
  31. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 17:44
    [marcysutton] That reminds me of this depressing thread about disabling accessibility features in a video game...developers feel that they should be free to opt out if the majority of the technology is inaccessible. But then people who just don't want to tackle it chime in too (like building a desktop Electron app) angular/material#3507
  32. [marcysutton] They did end up adding a way to disable the warnings.
  33. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 16 17:59
    in general I think most angular/react/etc devs want to opt out of any a11y stuff
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 18:01
    [cordelia] wow, pretty extreme sentence in that aria-label thread: "being forced to use aria at gun point is annoying as hell”
  35. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 20:52
    well they wouldn't have to use aria if they had just used vanilla HTML, JS and CSS
  36. aria is to cover all the crap we insist on building in
  37. By the way someone I know is looking at that programming challenge
  38. I forget what it was, under 40k or something of JS
  39. Anyway, he's thinking of building a graphing calculator for the blind and in canvas... I have no idea how he's going to make canvas work though he also wants to use the Web Audio API. This guy is the author of the upcoiming LibAudioverse library
  40. but he needs someone to be his eyes for the styling of the canvas thing since he figures the judges will skip anything that's not pretty
  41. I don't have any experience with canvas, i can't draw with math at all, but anyone who does, contact @camlorn38 on the twitters pls
  42. this is the challenge https://a-k-apart.com/
  43. so, 10k
  44. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 21:08
    @marcySutton victor said he'd come up with more after his vacation he's on
  45. Dunno what's in English
  46. but he understands the problems of non-linear info of maps
  47. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 16 21:21
    [marcysutton] Hmm, that graphing calculator sounds like a really cool project. I'd be curious to hear how he handles progressive enhancement
  48. [marcysutton] Thanks for the info @stommepoes. Twitter's translation mechanism came in handy! I will take a look at the maps and pass them along.
  49. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Aug 16 22:32
    as a C, C++ and Python guy, I don't think he's ever built a whole lot on the front end before.
  50. so it would be interesting.