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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 25th of August 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 05:40
    [jv] buttons in linkedin http://take.ms/JnOOA
  2. [caesar] Is that an accessibility tree view?
  3. [caesar] Sorry for the rookie question
  4. [jv] No it’s when CSS doesn’t load
  5. [jv] No question is rookie or stupid question. feel free to ask
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 05:46
    [caesar] Thanks :)
  7. [jv] I like this tweet i saw yesterday
  8. [jv] https://twitter.com/bendystraw/status/768233651599446021
  9. Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Aug 25 07:26
    Good morning people of the a11ySlackers channel.
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 07:47
    [jv] good morning dev
  11. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    Aug 25 08:15
    Morning :)
  12. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 11:14
    [michiel] Morning y'all.
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 13:04
    [michiel] If set up rules so no mail comes in your actual mailbox, is that cheating to achieve mailbox0?
  14. [dean] I don’t think so. I think it would be cheating if you deleted your mail account and the sender received a bounced reply.
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 13:13
    [michiel] Haha
  16. [michiel] alt=Mailbox with 9 messages https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/1agFHVcO/Screen%20Shot%202016-08-25%20at%2014.14.40.png
  17. [michiel] Nearly there!
  18. [michiel] Shame that my TPG mailbox has 360 messages in it :see_no_evil:
  19. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 13:22
    [dean] 751 in your ARIA Working Groups folder, that might as well be a bounced reply ;)
  20. [michiel] Haha, yeah, well, it's hard to keep up with that.
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 13:28
    [michiel] ⌘A+⇧⌘U
  22. [michiel] (Select all + mark as read)
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 14:54
    [garcialo] @michiel That key command is too complicated. I usually just use Del to mark as read.
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 15:03
    [mgifford] For Reddit folks, I’d love to have some accessibility questions about Drupal up on my AMA https://www.reddit.com/r/drupal/comments/4ziqn1/hi_i_am_mike_gifford_i_am_drupals_accessibility/?st=isaf8x9h&sh=3bd5afb5
  25. [mgifford] Or you can just ask me questions about my sweet whoodle puppy!
  26. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 25 15:17
    @garcialo (sorry for the late reply), what actually is a good combination for Chrome then?
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 15:18
    [garcialo] ChromeVox + Chrome
  28. [garcialo] It takes a little getting used to.
  29. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 15:53
    [michiel] ⌘A+← it is Garcialo
  30. [garcialo] thumbsup emoji
  31. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 25 16:19
    Funny, I only used ChromeVox with my Chromebook
  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:22
    [lectrotext] I was looking around for the latest on title attributes and anchor tags. Last thing I've seen is from 2014. Is it still pretty much useless for screen readers?
  33. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 19:35
    no - it can work pretty well for most screen readers. There is a lot of anti-title bias IMO.
  34. title is defined in the accessible description hierarchy for links
  35. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:36
    [michiel] Steve on the matter: If you want to hide content from mobile and tablet users as well as assistive tech users and keyboard only users, use the title attribute.
  36. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 19:36
    see https://www.w3.org/TR/html-aam-1.0/#a-element
  37. mobile and tablet users sure.... keyboard users using IE on latest windows can get it now
  38. I wish other browsers would do that too
  39. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:38
    [michiel] https://www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2016/02/short-note-on-use-of-alt-and-the-title-attribute/
  40. [michiel] But that's not related to anchors per se.
  41. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 19:39
    yeah - totally unrelated
  42. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:40
    [michiel] I've been described as such
  43. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 19:40
    i can find some random links to post too :)
  44. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:41
    [michiel] Please do.
  45. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 19:41
    IMO title gets worse press than it deserves.... it is certainly not the best solution in all cases and is very overused but sometimes it is the right thing
  46. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:41
    [michiel] Can you tell me one scenario when it's the best solution?
  47. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 19:41
    in order to get an accessible description on something?
  48. the only alternative is aria-describedby.... if a developer doesn't require a description to be visible to everyone i'd rather they use title than a hidden aria-describedby just due to less code
  49. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:43
    [michiel] At least it would be consistent cross platform :P
  50. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 19:45
    note - i'm not arguing that title is a great thing - just that sometimes it is ok to have it.
  51. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:46
    [lectrotext] I appreciate the deep details, but I'm looking for a general guideline.
  52. [lectrotext] And asking in order to make sure that enough context is given for a link. The classic "Read more" link scenario
  53. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:54
    [michiel] In my opinion, links should not read “read more”.
  54. [michiel] Changing the link text is way easier.
  55. [michiel] Some blogs use something like “Continue reading ‘article title’” for example.
  56. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 25 20:34
    Has anyone seen any documentation on <button> requiring role="button" to use aria-pressed?
  57. My co-worker swears he came across that today when looking at something and now can't find it
  58. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 20:40
    [michiel] Button has an implied role of button, so shouldn't be the case.
  59. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 25 20:41
    https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/aria-in-html/CH-aria-in-html-20140624.html
  60. that's the page he was referencing. I take it that was a weird version of the doc?
  61. And I was aware of the implied role for buttons so I found it odd
  62. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 20:44
    In ARIA 1.0 you needed to. In 1.1 you don't have to
  63. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 20:44
    [garcialo] “i’m…arguing that title is a great thing” -@jnurthen
  64. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Aug 25 20:45
    What uses ARIA 1.0 vs 1.1?
  65. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Aug 25 20:45
    @garcialo LOL
  66. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 20:46
    [garcialo] To the twitter!
  67. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 21:45
    [michiel] Link?
  68. [michiel] I'll retweet that one :P
  69. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 21:54
    [michiel] garcialo, just shorten it: “title [attribute] is a great thing”—@jnurthen
  70. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 22:01
    [cordelia] Alas, you’ll never get away with it. Last I checked, these Slack archives are public, so people can easily Google and see through your ruse.
  71. [michiel] We'll just have to make James say it for real then.
  72. [michiel] Say jnurthen, what was that thing about title attributes you didnt' say?
  73. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 22:34
    [garcialo] No people Google that sort of thing. The ruse would be airtight
  74. [lectrotext] Of course Read more is not ideally what the link should be. It was more of a shortcut to reference the problem.
  75. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 22:40
    [lectrotext] The actual problem is more complicated than that, but I'm looking for a rule of thumb to go by
  76. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 23:24
    [caesar] The "read more" and "click here" thing was consigned to AAA status in WCAG 2.0 right?
  77. [caesar] Although in my experience there is a strong case for it to be AA