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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 30th of September 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. Srinivas Yedhuri
    @sri429
    Sep 30 04:39
    Q: Should the focus indocator be present on mouse click? it should always be present for keyboard users but should it be there for mouse clicks?
  2. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 04:52
    [caesar] Once an element is clicked it should receive focus. So yes
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 06:42
    [teleject] Hi, All— I made a simple site to test if a site can handle common color blindness issues: http://colorfuzz.com
  4. Srinivas Yedhuri
    @sri429
    Sep 30 06:50
    cool.
  5. can it be an extenstion or bookmarklet
  6. ?
  7. most sites dont allow embed with in iframe and for people working on internal sites it might be tough.
  8. NoCoffee vision simulator extension does similar stuff https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/nocoffee/jjeeggmbnhckmgdhmgdckeigabjfbddl
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 09:44
  10. [dean] Just thought I’d report in case you weren’t aware :)
  11. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Sep 30 12:36
    @car "Do you also use Ctrl+PageUp / PageDown to switch tabs? Or pretty much only Ctrl+Tab / Ctrl+Shift+Tab?" Watching myself, I seem to tend to use CTRL+Tab when I'm doing GUI stuff (so when I've got browsers, Nautilus, Gimp open and switching between them with Alt+Tab) but when I'm working in the terminal, because I switch terminal windows with CTRL+PgUp/PgDn, I find myself using that to move between open localhost tabs.
  12. @sri429 While focus is the state most browsers leave on a clicked element (it didn't used to be all browsers, I remember), most graphics designers don't like seeing a focus ring on something that's been clicked. It's another reason people use outline: 0-- it's not because they were keyboarding and found it ugly, but they were mousing and found it ugly. So I use a very modified version of a little script @SteveFaulkner posted on the Paciello blog a while back to only let my focus styles appear if the event wasn't a mouse event.
    It is possible that some touch devices run through a mouse event which could screw them up... I can't remember which but remember looking through some ginormous table Patrick Lauke made of all the events a touch device goes through and in which order, and I thought a few added some mouse events.
  13. Srinivas Yedhuri
    @sri429
    Sep 30 14:15
    @StommePoes yeah thats exactly whats happening. designers dont want focus indicator on click.
  14. so want to know if any users get affected.
  15. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Sep 30 15:08
    That might depend on if any mouse (or touch) users are kinda relying on seeing it to ensure they really clicked it, in the way that, way back when Internet Explorer showed alts as a tooltip, I knew people who hovered over images to get more information, not knowing alts weren't supposed to appear.
  16. But if you want a little JS to let keyboard users get anything you want to give them, and hide from mouse users...
  17. // www.paciellogroup.com/blog/2012/04/how-to-remove-css-outlines-in-an-accessible-manner/     addListener(body, 'mousedown keydown', function(e) {                                 return (e.type == 'mousedown') ?                                                         addClass(body,'mouseDetected') :                                                 removeClass(body,'mouseDetected');                                     });
    
  18. uh, I put that in a site where the guy already had a special event listener function which could take multiple listeners
  19.       document.addEventListener('mousedown',function() {         document.body.classList.add('mouseDetected');       },false);        document.addEventListener('keydown',function() {         document.body.classList.remove('mouseDetected');       },false);
    
  20. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Sep 30 15:13
    That needs no funky listeners but does assume IE9 and above for desktops.
  21. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 15:39
    Is the CSUN deadline really on Tuesday? Guess I am not going this year.
  22. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Sep 30 15:41
    You only go if you give a talk?
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 15:56
    [michiel] Anyone here in Oxford at the moment.
  24. [michiel] jnurthen: october 4th.
  25. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:00
    Yeah - I only get to go if I present.... I think I'm done with that. I never get enough attendance at the presentations to make it worth my while preparing for them
  26. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:00
    [michiel] Do one on the APG ;)
  27. [michiel] You can steal my slides if you want :)
  28. [michiel] You can even borrow the onesie if you want!
  29. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:01
    Done that before... You want to co-present one?
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:01
    [michiel] I’m not going, so, no, not really :P
  31. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:01
    boo
  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:02
    [michiel] Want to co-present something during a11yTO?
  33. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:02
    Toronto? not really
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:02
    [michiel] It’s October next year, sure you can make that work.
  35. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:03
    we have our a11y conference internally in october which is why the csun deadline is really hard to meet
  36. no travel for tpac next year anyway
  37. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:04
    [michiel] SF right?
  38. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:04
    yeah - well burlingame anyway (right by airport)
  39. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:09
    [car] @jnurthen Yes, do the APG! It needs more advertising! Show folks all the lovely examples that are (ok, will be) in there. :)
  40. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:10
    I guess I can put something together.... I should see if Matt wants to co-present though
  41. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:10
    [car] Great idea!
  42. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:10
    going to be a last-minute preso
  43. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:11
    [michiel] Sounds good to me!
  44. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:11
    could also submit my aria 1.1 pres.... https://jnurthen.github.io/presentations/aria-11.html#/
  45. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:12
    [michiel] Why not both?
  46. [michiel] Excited about the CSS Accessibility Task Force!
  47. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:15
    hmmm - no time for more TFs
  48. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:21
    [michiel] Like we have time for TFs in the first place…
  49. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:28
    [michiel] So you don’t fancy co-editing that?
  50. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Sep 30 16:28
    LOL
  51. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 16:29
    [michiel] Just asking :P
  52. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 18:01
    [teleject] @dean Thanks! Do you have a version number for that Mac Chrome? I can’t reproduce the error.
  53. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 18:08
    [teleject] @sri429 It’s more intended to be a helpful build tool. So, if you want to check out a site you are building, you should be able to control iframe viewing access. And I wanted to build this so people did not have to download a yet another chrome extension or small application.
  54. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 18:25
    [teleject] Also, if anyone finds any issues, please post them on the GitHub https://github.com/teleject/colorfuzz
  55. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 30 20:47
    [teleject] @dean was able to reproduce the error. Looks like it’s an error with retina screens.
  56. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Sep 30 23:55
    Hello