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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 6th of October 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 10:27
    [michiel] beth: I’m with Marcy and Karl :)
  2. Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Oct 06 11:23
    Michiel, sorry to message you here, but since you are quite active it seems the best place. For various reasons Christoph and I from trivago will be unable to attend role=drinks in Amsterdam this Saturday :(
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 11:26
    [michiel] :((
  4. [michiel] Better luck next time thumbsup emoji
  5. Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Oct 06 11:28
    Yeah sorry about the late notice.
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 11:32
    [michiel] No problem, we’ll drink an extra two beers ;)
  7. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    Oct 06 12:17
    Hey guys, just trying to work through the text alternative calculation outlined here: http://w3c.github.io/aria/accname-aam/accname-aam.html#mapping_additional_nd_te
    What is meant by "... referenced by a native host language text alternative element or attribute "?
  8. It doesn't mean aria-labelledby or aria-describedby as that is already mentioned
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 15:12
    [beth] Would ya’ll be so kind as to take a 1 question survey regarding the “Forgot password” link after a sign in field? https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/G7J8Y2S
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 18:34
    [backwardok] oyy that font is super hard to read for me
  11. [michiel] backwardok: which font?
  12. [backwardok] the font for the text on the answers
  13. [backwardok] i think it’s helvetica neue light
  14. [backwardok] on the survey beth sent out
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 19:03
    [michiel] Ah
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 19:11
    [beth] @backwardok I agree. I figured out how to change it. (My first time using Survey Monkey.)
  17. [beth] it should be easier to read now.
  18. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 19:18
    [car] @fionaholder I think (?) it means html elements like <label for="id"> or attributes like alt="alt-text".
  19. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 19:52
    [backwardok] @beth i had actually talked to them about that when they were redesigning surveys back when i used to work there but largely got overridden because the designers liked how it looked :(

  20. [scottohara] question for all.

    am i completely out of my mind thinking that a website/app/experience that doesn’t load, due to a lack of js, is an accessibility issue? am i being too liberal with the term accessibility?

  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 19:58
    [conley] by “lack of js” do you mean the user-disabled js?
  22. [michiel] Usability issue
  23. [michiel] Although, to me, those are linked.
  24. [scottohara] lack of js could be user disabled, or blocked for some reason
  25. [scottohara] mainly, content can only be accessed if JS is enabled. if no js, no content
  26. [scottohara] and i’m not even of the camp that it means that no js content / experience has to be the same as the w/JS content/experience
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 21:40
    [marcysutton] They are definitely related. There are limits to what is reasonable in terms of scope for no-JS support. But I definitely cringed at the "it's 2016, you can require JS for your apps" slide as well, even with the added context. That's why I like the promise of Universal JavaScript apps so much–you can at least load something from the server
  28. [scottohara] thanks marcy
  29. [scottohara] yah…i think i’m just coming from a place where they go hand in hand (accessibility/usability)…and i just want make sure that i’m not at all incorrectly representing the true meaning of accessibility in doing so
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 21:48
    [marcysutton] There is such an air of privilege in the way we design and develop apps, from requiring solid internet connectivity, to heavy data downloads, to mouse/trackpad reliance, to JS-reliant content sites. I've seen some articles and sentiments recently pushing for "inclusive design" over "accessibility", perhaps that might be appropriate in the no-JS case
  31. [marcysutton] Every time I go into the wilderness I see the edges of what my personal mobile device was designed for...like needing an internet connection to clear a modal dialog that blocks access to music data saved on my device. Feels like they don't test for no internet (which is super common in the woods, y'all). It isn't completely unrealistic to expect someone might turn JS off if their connection is crappy to save bandwidth.
  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 21:53
    [marcysutton] But that arguably does get more into usability than accessibility, per se. I'd say it's more in the realm of inclusive design if you are looking to make the connection
  33. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 06 22:07
    [scottohara] thanks again :) that helps