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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 18th of October 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 09:42
    [michiel] Good morning slackers.
  2. [karlgroves] Morning?
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 09:53
    [jv] https://twitter.com/chriscoyier/status/788135135753351169
  4. [jv] Reading Q&A of @marcysutton AMA. Most of the people have asked same kind of question.
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 10:02
    [michiel] karlgroves: anytime between 06:00 and 12:00 is morning.
  6. [simong] jv: Do you have a link for that?
  7. [jv] it’s here https://hashnode.com/ama/with-marcy-sutton-ciu7ybenl0235za53kdqpw0f5
  8. [simong] Thanks!
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:08
    [marcysutton] I'm not convinced the question askers were all real people but that's my own paranoia :)
  10. [jdan] @marcysutton loved your answer for the "accessibility pet peeve" Q
  11. [marcysutton] It was a little fresh after the last week with "You Might Not Need JS" :p
  12. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:14
    [jv] When it is ok to not to consider accessibility?
  13. [jv] Internal apps?
  14. [jv] Apps for admins?
  15. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    Oct 18 15:15
    But what if you hire someone that needs it?
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:15
    [marcysutton] If other humans use it it's never ok IMO
  17. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    Oct 18 15:16
    maybe if the basic function of an app involves a specific sense, it wouldn't be necessary to consider those who struggle with that sense? hmm... just thinking out loud really though
  18. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:18
    [marcysutton] If you're making a demo app for yourself maybe?
  19. [jv] i m working on a web app which is admin panel to control settings of hardware
  20. [marcysutton] I saw quite a few "MVP" sites go out for startups that had zero accessibility which was a shame because that would have been the easiest time to implement it
  21. [jv] what if product owner says that no one with any disability will be ever hired to use this app.
  22. [jv] also this will be used in ideal conditions

  23. [karlgroves] > what if product owner says that no one with any disability will be ever hired to use this app.

    Then they’ve admitted to engaging in discriminatory hiring practices

  24. [jv] the only question left here is temporary disability of the user
  25. [marcysutton] Yikes
  26. [karlgroves] And the possibility of an existing employee becoming disabled
  27. [jv] yes
  28. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    Oct 18 15:22
    or even just convenience, for things like keyboard input
  29. on the sort of overlap between usability/accessibility
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:23
    [jv] keyboard input can be opt out if solution is for touch screen only
  31. [jv] no?
  32. [jv] even no mouse
  33. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    Oct 18 15:26
    if you're locking down the system so that it only has one method of input, it essentially can't be accessible
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:27
    [jv] touch screen phone has no physical keyboard or mouse
  35. Srinivas Y
    @sri429_twitter
    Oct 18 15:28
    Q: Any good article on different modes of a screen reader
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:29
    [karlgroves] http://tink.uk/understanding-screen-reader-interaction-modes/
  37. [jv] Is there any video tutorial series on how to use voice over?
  38. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    Oct 18 15:30
    ah, if you're talking phone apps then it's possible to make them accessible
  39. Srinivas Y
    @sri429_twitter
    Oct 18 15:31
    thanks @karl
  40. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:32
    [karlgroves] YW
  41. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:38
    [marcysutton] I literally just published a video on voiceover yesterday https://egghead.io/lessons/tools-using-the-voiceover-screen-reader-to-test-for-accessibility
  42. [marcysutton] NVDA next!
  43. [lefthandev] @jv might not what you’re looking for, but there’s also pretty straight-forward VoiceOver training built into macOS : )
  44. [jv] i tried some tuts but i guess my mac keyboard shortcuts doesnt work in the way it described in tutorials
  45. [marcysutton] If you're on a laptop you might need to hold the Fn key for them to work
  46. [marcysutton] I highly recommend using a Windows keyboard if you test JAWS or NVDA, it's really helpful having an actual insert key and not having to hold the Function (Fn) key on the Macbook keyboard
  47. [marcysutton] I never could get Karabiner to work
  48. [jv] i have macbook only
  49. [jv] i first want to learn voiceover then will move to jaws
  50. Fiona Holder
    @FionaHolder
    Oct 18 15:42
    With NVDA, I just use the setting that allows caps lock to work as insert, as my surface doesn't have an insert key
  51. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:42
    [marcysutton] i couldn't get that to work either....not sure why
  52. [jv] not sure if it only on my machine or voiceover repeat page tittle two times
  53. [conley] Check out https://sharpkeys.codeplex.com/
  54. [conley] I remapped my right shift key to NVDA on my Windows VM
  55. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:47
    [marcysutton] I do love my workstation now though, with a large monitor and a third-party ergonomic keyboard it's really comfortable for working
  56. Srinivas Yedhuri
    @sri429
    Oct 18 15:51
    out of curiosity whats this @zakim-robot ?
  57. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:51
    [conley] Agreed, always the best option. I’m stuck with just my laptop though
  58. [marcysutton] On Gitter, that is a robot that pipes messages from Slack
  59. Srinivas Yedhuri
    @sri429
    Oct 18 15:53
    oh cool. but why not gitter app directly? is it because of other channels?
  60. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:54
    [marcysutton] Slack came first, and then Steve Faulkner added a connection to the w3c Gitter to provide different options for access plus an open archive
  61. [marcysutton] I always have Slack open so I prefer it, but some people like Gitter more
  62. Srinivas Yedhuri
    @sri429
    Oct 18 15:56
    I am in that some people :smile:
  63. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 15:57
    [marcysutton] well there you go, options for everybody =D
  64. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 16:07
    [jv] https://hexnaw.com/
  65. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 18:25
    [saltnburnem] I have so much trouble keeping up with slack
  66. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Oct 18 22:28
    [jiatyan] Nice book https://www.smashingmagazine.com/inclusive-design-patterns/?mc_cid=27d0de3363&mc_eid=a144a7429a#toc Digesting it now. Assume it's the one and only @heydon.