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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 3rd of November 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 03 01:49
    CSUN notification in inbox
  2. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 01:49
    !!!
  3. whew; relieved my talks got accepted
  4. I mean, it would have been embarrassing if they hadn't
  5. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 03 01:55
    What are you presenting?
  6. I'm doing an aria 1.1 one (including apg). Decided not to submit an oracle related one this year as no one ever turns up to them.
  7. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:17
    yeah, doing company-related talks is useless
  8. we're doing two
  9. that's how you do it
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 02:22
    [blindwiz] Hello All! I am new to this slack team. I hope to help and learn as much as I can.
  11. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:22
    welcome!
  12. what do you wish to learn?
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 02:24
    [blindwiz] I'm a software engineer that happens to be blind. I am not sure fully what I want to learn. I already know quite a lot, but there are always to grow.
  14. [blindwiz] I mean there are always places to grow in.
  15. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:25
    so true
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 02:25
    [blindwiz] I figure the day say I know everything, that is the day I just became really stupid. :)
  17. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:25
    tonight, for instance, I am continuing on my quest to make the perfect bowl of oatmeal
  18. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 02:27
    [blindwiz] Awe, I'm always in search of the perfect oatmeal configuration.
  19. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:28
    made it in a rice cooker for the first time tonight; it's okay so far
  20. ah crap, I forgot the salt; that must be why it's a little odd
  21. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 03 02:31
    My rice cooker is too "smart" for oatmeal. :(
  22. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:31
    how so?
  23. I'm really digging the consistency; this branch will definitely be iterated upon
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 02:36
    [blindwiz] hhmm, I've never made oatmeal in the slow cooker.
  25. [blindwiz] I'll have to try it out this weekend.
  26. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:37
    let us know how it goes
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 02:37
    [blindwiz] brb
  28. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 03 02:41
    Fuzzy logic messes it up. Also often get a messy boil over.
  29. For oatmeal use a cheap rice cooker.
  30. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:43
    I inherited mine, but I suspect it's not cheap. the friends I got it from eat rice all the time
  31. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 03 02:50
    Cheap was the wrong word. Simple.
  32. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 03 02:52
    sounds like your rice cooker is over engineered
  33. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 02:53
    [michiel] “I eat rice all the time”—garcialo
  34. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 03 02:56
    Japanese rice cookers all are. But they do play fun tunes when the rice is ready.
  35. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 03:02
    [michiel] Have a look at this review: http://www.minimallyminimal.com/blog/muji-rice-cooker-by-naoto-fukasawa
  36. [michiel] I would buy that just to have it :P
  37. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 09:05
    hi
  38. Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Nov 03 09:09
    jo
  39. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 09:09
    Hey @iandevlin! Will be seeing you next week =)
  40. @sophieschoice ping
  41. Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Nov 03 09:10
    @jkva Really? Where?
  42. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 09:10
    Trivago office
  43. Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Nov 03 09:11
    Aha! You're coming? Nice!
  44. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 09:12
    Yeah, traveling with Karl that week
  45. Presenting a lightning talk at a11yclub #4 and #5, fun :)
  46. Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Nov 03 09:12
    Excellent! He's keeping himself busy while he is here!
  47. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 09:12
    yeah :)
  48. sophieschoice
    @sophieschoice
    Nov 03 09:27
    Ha, signing in through Gitter works! Slack has problems
  49. Anyway, hi everybody :D
  50. \0
  51. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 09:31
    @sophieschoice o/
  52. Ian Devlin
    @iandevlin
    Nov 03 09:39
    Greetings @sophieschoice
  53. sophieschoice
    @sophieschoice
    Nov 03 09:41
    Hi Job and Ian!
  54. @jkva Is there interest in a Role=Drinks in the area of Breda? Or Antwerp?
  55. I could try to see if there are possible locations
  56. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 09:44
    YES
  57. There
  58. is always interest in role=drinks
  59. sophieschoice
    @sophieschoice
    Nov 03 09:44
    hahaha :D
  60. jkva @jkva pages @michiel
  61. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 03 09:47
    morning, slackers.
  62. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 09:51
    morning @pkra :)
  63. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 03 09:51
    @jkva \o/
  64. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 12:15
    [michiel] Hiya jkva, what up?
  65. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 12:15
    sophieschoice> [edit] @jkva Is there interest in a Role=Drinks in the area of Breda? Or Antwerp?
  66. @michiel
  67. ^
  68. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 12:16
    [michiel] Ah
  69. [michiel] sophieschoice: You can set one up ;)
  70. [michiel] I’m writing an extensive guide on how to do that, coming soon(-ish).
  71. sophieschoice
    @sophieschoice
    Nov 03 12:16
    \0 brilliant!
  72. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 03 12:17
    @sophieschoice: I've sent you a DM
  73. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 13:50
    [johnkmcnabb] Has anyone ever given out virtual accessibility awards at work? I'm thinking it could help draw attention to successes, like when people upgrade standards or processes to be more accessible (something more than the daily grind). Does anyone see a downside in this? #awards
  74. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 03 14:15
    We give real awards. Can you find budget to get an actual trophy? Creates awareness as folks ask about them when they see them.
  75. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 14:20
    [johnkmcnabb] An actual trophy, that's cool. What kind of figure is on it?
  76. [beth] @johnkmcnabb I think that’s an awesome idea. I’m going to see if I can do that at my place of employment.
  77. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 03 14:33
    It is curved glass. We have some Braille etched into it and then some text. Ironically the color contrast of the text is really bad!
  78. But we also provide an electronic version as it can take a while to ship the awards especially internationally.
  79. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 14:40
    [johnkmcnabb] @jamesn That's a great idea.
  80. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 14:50
    [karlgroves] My wife is Director of HR at a large accounting firm. She buys gift cards for $100 a piece and allows any of the staff to “WOW” each other for going above & beyond. The prize is one of those gift cards.
  81. [karlgroves] I think it is a great idea. People like to be recognized
  82. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 14:59
    [johnkmcnabb] @karlgroves The optimistic side of me says that's a great idea. The pessimistic side of me says it could be abused. I used to work in a department where people got movie tickets for getting WOWed. But there was one individual who would solicit WOWs, and it eventually got noticed.
  83. dothedesign
    @dothedesign
    Nov 03 15:20
    Anyone know of any good printables or infographics that I could share with others?
  84. relating to web accessibility, jaws, nvda, or any tools in general
  85. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 15:28
    [johnkmcnabb] Here's a site with a WCAG map and some other stuff: https://www.digitalpulse.pwc.com.au/resources/
  86. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 03 15:50
    hiya slackers.
  87. any suggestions for figure headings.
  88. ?
  89. a real heading seems odd to me but perhaps it's not?
  90. Example: <figure> <???>Figure 1</???> <figcaption>A nice image caption</figcaption> <img src=...> </figure>
  91. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 03 15:57
    Correction: <figure><figcaption> <???>Figure 1</???> A nice image caption</figcaption> <img src=...> </figure>
  92. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 15:58
    [michiel] <figure><figcaption>Figure 1: A nice image caption><figcaption><img /><figure>?
  93. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 03 16:05
    no. Need to make it heading-like
  94. So some markup is warranted :)
  95. (need to make it visually heading-like)
  96. dothedesign
    @dothedesign
    Nov 03 16:08
    @zakim-robot the link you shared has great printables! Thank you so much
  97. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 03 16:09
    yeah -- thanks johnkmcnabb!
  98. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 17:13
    [michiel] pkra: <figure><figcaption><b>Figure 1:</b> A nice image caption><figcaption><img /><figure>?
  99. [michiel] :@
  100. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 20:36
    [beth] The Wall Street Journal has an article on lawsuits over web accessibility for blind users. The comments following the article are the most ignorant I’ve ever seen. I’d like to give these people a piece of my mind, so I follow the instructions which say “Sign in to comment”, yet when I sign in, is mysteriously can’t load the comments anymore. Sign out, comments appear… sign in… comments not found. Weird, it’s almost as if they don’t want anyone commenting. http://www.wsj.com/articles/companies-face-lawsuits-over-website-accessibility-for-blind-users-1478005201
  101. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 21:26
    [marcysutton] They really missed an opportunity to interview Lainey Feingold in that article to represent alternatives to litigation.
  102. [marcysutton] Ok I had to stop reading the comments at "When did web access become a "right"?"
  103. [marcysutton] sheesh
  104. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 21:37
    [alice] thanks for ear-steaming so I don't have to @marcysutton
  105. [marcysutton] All I can say is YIKES
  106. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 21:56
    [karlgroves] Never read the comments
  107. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 22:05
    [alice] Wow, that first comment spectacularly misses the point
  108. [alice] "The disabled in this country have to be the best taken care of in the history of the world -- all 11 million of them that are on Social Security disability."
  109. [alice] "This sounds more like some shyster lawyers getting together to sue over something that cannot possibly be a real problem and one that does not have any real remedy." well which is it?
  110. [alice] ok stopping
  111. [conley] yeah, just don't
  112. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 22:10
    [conley] https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/shut-up/oklfoejikkmejobodofaimigojomlfim
  113. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 22:19
    [jhausler] Merica
  114. [jhausler] heya.. speaking of “don’t read the comments”, i wrote another blog post. have a look but be nice. https://medium.com/salesforce-ux/how-to-describe-complex-designs-for-users-with-disabilities-ba05f5224130#.fxj0kh8fr
  115. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 22:32
    [karlgroves] @marcysutton YT?
  116. [marcysutton] yep!
  117. [karlgroves] Ever year of bikeshopwarehouse?
  118. [marcysutton] nope haven't heard of it
  119. [karlgroves] k
  120. [marcysutton] Buying a bike on the internet can be tough unless you're good at putting them together...you end up at a bike shop anyway
  121. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 03 22:44
    [michiel] +it’s better to get them custom made to your specifications.
  122. [michiel] Much more comfortable.
  123. [michiel] You can still buy the remaining pieces online, but things like frame, fork, and saddle I’d buy at a dealer.

  124. [karlgroves] > +it’s better to get them custom made to your specifications.

    Feh. Like a Dutchman would know anything about bikes

  125. [karlgroves] j/k its for my kid.
  126. [michiel] Ah
  127. [michiel] I was talking race bikes :P
  128. [shawn.henning] PBS News Hour had a nice piece on candidates appealing to the disabled. One of the people they interviewed complained that one candidate just wanted the disabled to live off the government; so the view of that commenter is widely held unfortunately.
  129. [michiel] Or are you race bike shopping for your kid?
  130. [shawn.henning] It was a nice piece overall though.
  131. [shawn.henning] http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/candidates-offer-americans-disabilities-growing-voting-bloc/