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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 7th of November 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 10:07
    [alastc] I (and others) have been working on a potential new WCAG 2.1 SC for contrast of graphics as part of the low vision task force. It would be great to get some feedback on how robust it looks at the moment. I've put the SC text and some examples (with reasoning) on this page: https://alastairc.ac/tests/graphic-contrast-test.html
  2. [alastc] Please note this is in no-way finalised, and could change, improve, disappear depending on how other SCs work out. However, it's a useful time to get other eyes & opinions on it...
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 11:49
    [michiel] alastc: can you a viewport meta tag? Kind of hard to read on mobile.
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 12:11
    [alastc] @michiel Have done, not sure it will help with the examples, but it should for the text at the top.
  5. [michiel] Better, thanks!
  6. powrsurg
    @powrsurg
    Nov 07 14:35
    Looks like someone has been stealing from 538 :P
  7. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 15:21
    [cameron] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=crX4bBoxA00
  8. [cameron] live now ^^
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 15:26
    [cameron] > This summit will bring together disability advocates, technology industry representatives, and Federal officials to examine approaches to ensure that the Internet of Things is accessible and that inclusive design is central to tech development.
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 15:43
    [marcysutton] I spy a Mike Paciello!
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 16:01
    [cameron] who is speaking rn?
  12. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 16:21
    @somelaniesaid hi!
  13. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 16:28
    You can't put role=radiogroup on an input element.
  14. head in hands
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 16:38
    [cameron] this is a sincere question: https://twitter.com/ckundo/status/795666172767256576
  16. [cameron] I was talking with a recent architecture grad, he said ADA training was thin
  17. [cameron] that he was expected to learn about the requirements in the field
  18. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 16:45
    [marcysutton] hmm sounds familiar
  19. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 16:46
    @jv responded to http://stackoverflow.com/questions/40446061/validation-errors-on-nu-html-checker/40470172#40470172
  20. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 16:47
    [cameron] @marcysutton yes. I'm projecting out to when ADA is explicit about web content, how that'll impact education.
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 17:03
    [alastc] @stevef looks like example 3 in ARIA2 needs an update then?
  22. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 17:11
    @alastc or the rule for UL needs to allow radiogroup will wait and see if an issue is filed
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 17:14
    [alastc] Generally, using a grouping HTML element like UL + LIs kinda makes sense for transposing to a fieldset + radio buttons assuming that sort of thing is approved. do you know if the ARIA WG (who’s acronym I forget) has discussed that?
  24. [alastc] I mean, I’d rather use the normal HTML elements, but UL + LIs makes as much as as DIV + SPANs.
  25. [alastc] (as much /sense/ as)
  26. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 17:19
    @alastc the general thrust of the conformance requirements is to try to dissuade people from overriding the default semantics of elements
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 17:20
    [alastc] Makes sense, in which case I’ll raise a bug on the technique.
  28. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 17:20
    @alastc currently radio amongst other things is not allowed on li which is why radiogroup is disallowed
  29. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 17:21
    [alastc] Ok. Looks like this might be a better example than the current one then: https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/examples/radio/radio.html
  30. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 17:23
    @alastc yes
  31. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 17:32
    [alastc] Bug raised. w3c/wcag#251
  32. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 17:32
    :+1:
  33. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 18:00
    [somelaniesaid] o hai @stevef !
  34. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 18:02
    @somelaniesaid I live in gitter https://gitter.im/w3c/a11ySlackers which is why i am a bot ;-)
  35. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 07 18:42
    @stevefaulkner seems weird to me that LI allows menuitemradio but not radio
  36. btw. i'm working on an SVG overlay of a page to highlight various things - for example draw an arrow between things that have an aria-controls relationship. Sound useful?
  37. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 07 20:26
    @jnurthen the thinking is that menu item is an interactive list item so it's an extension of the semantics
  38. @jnurthen yes that does sound useful. I have often thought that visual indication of relationships like that would be useful
  39. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 07 20:47
    @stevefaulkner personally I don't like the additional restrictions that HTML places on ARIA. There is nothing broken about the example cited as compared to the DIV example. The only thing broken is the validation based on the rules in ARIA in HTML - there is no real accessibiity impact
  40. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 07 20:58
    [michiel] True, but does it make sense to use ul / li as base?
  41. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 07 21:06
    no less or more than anything else IMO
  42. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Nov 07 21:46
    @jnurthen sounds like a nice extension to visual aria
  43. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 07 21:47
    visual aria is all CSS based so not really doable under that framework
  44. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Nov 07 21:47
    Aw, too bad. NoCoffee then?
  45. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 07 21:47
    what is nocoffee?
  46. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Nov 07 21:47
    The NoCoffee isn't OS currently but he said he'd OS it if people cared
  47. A set of SVG filters as browser plugin mostly for visual stuff
  48. the contrast one sucks and the snow one has a small error but the rest are kinda nice
  49. Things that imitate low contrast have to up the brightness otherwise all it really does is make stuff grey
  50. that's not the same as real-life low contrast
  51. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 07 21:48
    yeah
  52. i'll probably just make it a bookmarklet once I get it to a decent level
  53. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Nov 07 21:49
    but, it's got a lot of options and the shit-cones-not-no-cones is so nice, if it wasn't a huge pissy SVG I'd surf with it on all the time
  54. achromatomaly
  55. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 07 21:52
    just installed nocoffee and doesn't seem to do anything
  56. this chrome instance has a ton of extensions installed - i'm suspecting a conflict
  57. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Nov 07 21:54
    might be, I try to treat chrome like firefox-- back in the day when I needed an addon to replace everything mozilla kept removing, and realised I could never have the browser I wanted because too many plugins made it die
  58. after that I stopped trying to have the browser I want.
  59. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 07 21:55
    these are all a11y test tools :)
  60. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Nov 07 21:55
    So chrome only increases my font size and has a few testing tools. The rest, screw it. I should try Brave and Vivaldi just to see what they've got tho
  61. Yeah my FF has so many a11y bars there's no room for the screen
  62. I should remove the jim thatcher stuff
  63. it no worky anymore
  64. Hm, I have a dilemma
  65. I need to present HTML slides on Windows
  66. the only browser that smooths the text is IE
  67. but IE likes to hang on my slides (and other random things)
  68. so, to use IE or not to use IE.
  69. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Nov 07 22:00
    Also, none of the Windows browsers seem to display saved HTML pages from websites with all the images and CSS. Always broken for some reason... works on Linux.