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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 8th of November 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 05:38
    [caesar] Question for anybody working on airlines (or at Deque) - has there been a postponement of the deadline for compliance with the ACAA and USDOT? http://www.deque.com/air-carrier-access-act-update/
  2. [caesar] Referring to above URL, apparently deadline for website compliance has been pushed back another 6 months?
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 08:04
    [simong] Is there a quick way to get all the content on the page that will be read out by a screen reader? It doesn’t need to be terribly accurate, I only need to have a rough idea of how much content there is and how long it might take to read it out
  4. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 08 08:09
    @simong maybe using chrome a11y dev tools and looking at the a11y properties=>content for the body element?
  5. NVDA might also help if you switch on the log and just open the page for continuous reading (IIRC it dumps the entire text into the log right away)
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 08:19
    [simong] pkra: Oh my bad, I meant in an automated way through JS
  7. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 08 08:20
    ah...
  8. maybe check out what tota11y is doing for their ScreenReader Wand?
  9. there was a draft going around recently for exposing the accessible tree to JS... can't find it but might indicate what platform limitations there are.
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 08:25
    [simong] Cheers, I’ll try to find that
  11. [simong] I’ve hacked something on top of Axe for now, hopefully that’ll get us far enough
  12. Peter Krautzberger
    @pkra
    Nov 08 08:37
    cool. good luck.
  13. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 08 09:17

    @simong wrote:

    I only need to have a rough idea of how much content there is and how long it might take to read it out

    wouldn't 'how long it might take to read out' very much depend on the speech rate being used?

  14. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 09:58
    [simong] stevefaulkner: Totally, I’ll be using figures from https://jfw.groups.io/g/main/message/822?p=Created,,,20,1,0,0::Created,0,,20,1,140,204915 to ballpark some of this
  15. [simong] I’m building a check on top of Axe to suggest adding headings if your content goes over a certain threshold
  16. [simong] it can be a little bit handwavy for that purpose I think
  17. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 08 10:00
    @simong :+1:
  18. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 13:49
    [michiel] alastc: do you want comments here or in an e-mail?
  19. [alastc] If they are detailed please send an email, I don’t want to spam everyone else, thanks!
  20. [michiel] thumbsup emoji:skin-tone-3:
  21. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 08 15:37
    (Rules for using) ARIA in HTML W3C Editor's Draft 08 November 2016 Updated for ARIA 1.1 https://w3c.github.io/html-aria/
  22. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 08 16:25
    @stevefaulkner seems weird to me that Ul/LI allows listbox/option but not radiogroup/radio as these are logically the same thing
  23. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 08 16:29
    @jnurthen there is an issue open about this w3c/html-aria#30 feel free to pile on
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 16:44
    [marcysutton] @caesar i know that deadline was pushed back at least once
  25. [marcysutton] And as far as an automated a11y tree for JS, it's very early days but you might want to check out this unofficial draft https://a11y-api.github.io/a11y-api/spec/
  26. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 16:56
    [alice] @marcysutton The explainer is more readable and less likely to be mistaken for a finished product, please link to that :) https://github.com/a11y-api/a11y-api/blob/master/explainer.md#the-accessibility-object-model
  27. [marcysutton] Bookmarked!
  28. [wesruv] stevef++
  29. [wesruv] a number of your articles just demystified a bunch of stuff for me!
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 21:41
    [alice] hey @stevefaulkner are you still around?
  31. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 08 22:10
    [caesar] a11y-api looks super interesting! Will it essentially help pave the way for some form of standardisation amongst screen readers?
  32. [caesar] (I know there are a LOT of assumptions along that road, but one can dream, can't they?)
  33. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Nov 08 23:28
    @alice yeah
  34. @wesruv :+1:
  35. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 08 23:56
    @StommePoes any hints and tips on using dragon to interact with interactive SVGs?