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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 25th of November 2016

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 00:42
    [dpogue] I have a table that includes a column of short day names (Mon, Tue, etc.) and I was wondering if I should try to add aria-labels to read the full day name... it seems like adding aria-label to a span doesn't necessarily work though (at least in VoiceOver)
  2. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 25 03:16
    @dpogue I wonder if clipped text would get pronounced properly for this...maybe try it out? <th>Mon<span class="clipped">day</span></th> That said...while it would be nice to do, I think screen reader users would probably be used to how the shortened versions get announced on their own.
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 03:39
    [caesar] It certainly doesn't fail WCAG at level AA if you don't...
  4. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 04:22
    abbr is made for this <th abbr='Monday'>Mon</th>
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 04:24
    [caesar] LOL didn't even know this existed
  6. [caesar] But your use-case seems backwards? http://www.w3schools.com/tags/att_th_abbr.asp
  7. [caesar] The abbr attribute contains the abbreviation, not the other way around?
  8. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 04:25
    It contains what gets read out as the context for a table data cell.
  9. I'd suggest it would work well here.
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 04:26
    [caesar] ... not to mention supposedly obsolete? https://www.w3.org/TR/html-markup/th.html
  11. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 04:30
    Not obsolete in HTML 5.1
  12. https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/tabular-data.html#the-th-element
  13. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 25 04:32
    @jnurthen Doh! Of course. I always forget about abbr
  14. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 04:32
    It was obsoleted but I logged a bug with lots of use cases in the wild and got it reinstated. It is actually really useful.
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 04:33
    [caesar] LOL OK...
  16. [caesar] I'm surprised that it was made obsolete in the first place then...
  17. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 04:35
    Anything a11y related was on the chopping block on the whatwg hixie era.
  18. S/on/in/
  19. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 06:30
    [michiel] Good morning slackers!
  20. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 08:45
    [michiel] waves at jkva
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 09:03
    [michiel] What, no response within 15 minutes?! Our friendship is over!
  22. jkva @jkva throws a tomato at @michiel
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 09:30
    [michiel] There you are!
  24. [michiel] sprinkles jkva with aluminium
  25. Job van Achterberg
    @jkva
    Nov 25 09:31
    Nooo, my mobile reception]
  26. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 09:31
    [michiel] Muhaha
  27. Mallory
    @StommePoes
    Nov 25 16:19
    I used abbr on a calendar. I'm pretty meh about it, because it wasn't read out in most instances. 1 SR read the abbr text out, but only after I turned them on in settings.
  28. The other two ignored abbr.
  29. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 16:39
    Jaws does it automatically for us.
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 17:05
    [alastc] For a friday afternoon chuckle, a client's web designer said "since mobile enabled websites became the priority, it is no longer considered industry standard to follow the W3C guidance." Thankfully I was responding through an account manager who made my reply more polite.
  31. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 17:07
    I'll be charitable and think that he was saying that there are other guidelines like the BBC guidelines that they were planning on following instead.
  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 17:09
    [alastc] perhaps, even so, the BBC's guidelines generally expand on the W3C's to apply across platforms I think?
  33. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 17:10
    Oh yeah. I'm guessing that isn't what they meant though!
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 17:14
    [alastc] I may have been less charitable as I'm grumpy today. Oh well.
  35. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    Nov 25 17:16
    I'm still recovering from eating too much yesterday so not grumpy but slow.
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 17:39
    [quidkid] hey guys! so i finally got tab order and stuff ok on the main desktop view… except everything goes to shambles on mobile view because of hidden things that are visible and former visible things now invisible.. so the tab index is all messed up. how can i accommodate for both? and what are some mobile accessibility things to keep in mind? i was doing a course through ssbartgroup but it’s for native mobile apps.
  37. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 18:23
    [cyns] Has anyone run into a question around using a demi-bold font wrt WCAG 1.4.3? We're using 15pt demi-bold Avenir, and not sure if that qualifies as a "large font" (18pt or 14pt bold).
  38. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Nov 25 19:36
    [cyns] 15pt demi-bold Avenir
  39. luis garcia
    @garcialo
    Nov 25 23:53
    @cyns I usually rely on either aXe or Chrome a11y Dev Tools to do the calculation for me