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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 4th of May 2017

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 00:23
    [michiel] car: so I went through that PDF in some more depth with a friend of mine, and it is tagged, but not in the most meaningful way. Pretty much all content is exposed as paragraphs. My mistake was that I tested it with VoiceOver, and VoiceOver doesn’t actually handle tagged PDFs all that well (well, not at all). So yes, it’s tagged, but not effectively.
  2. [michiel] Basically when VoiceOver hits this, it's still going to be read, but just like it would a browser in quirks mode.
  3. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 04 01:24
    @michiel why are you analysing PDF files in the middle of the night.
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 01:25
    [karlgroves] @jamesn all i can say is that @michiel has a weird sense of fun
  5. [jamesn] @karlgroves yep. That is true. I'm slacking with a beer. But still not analyzing PDF files.

  6. [karlgroves] >I’m slacking with a beer.

    As if there was any other way!

  7. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 01:31
    [jamesn] Beer with a view of San Francisco.
  8. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 04:36
    [alice] Any ARIA wonks still awake?
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 04:46
    [ghanek] @alice, what might one win?
  10. [alice] lol
  11. [alice] one might win me asking questions about the ARIA taxonomy
  12. [ghanek] life is like a box of chocolates...
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 04:51
    [alice] ...and the ARIA taxonomy is like a maze of twisty little passage
  14. [ghanek] I may get eaten by a grue, but go ahead and ask.
  15. [alice] https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#widget_roles includes alert and alertdialog
  16. [alice] however, in the taxonomy, those roles don't inherit from widget
  17. [alice] soooo what's up with that
  18. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 05:18
    [ghanek] hmm... the UML class diagram https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/img/rdf_model.svg ties alert and alertdialog to section, not to widget.
  19. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 05:24
    [ghanek] /skritching sound is me fingers on me head
  20. [jamesn] @alice @ghanek the aria taxonomy sounds right to me.
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 05:36
    [alice] @jamesn So they aren't widget roles?
  22. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 05:43
    [jamesn] Alert is certainly not a widget. Alertdialog could be if you consider window a widget. But window seems correct to me.
  23. [jamesn] Think of widgets in aria being equivalent to form elements (input, select etc) in HTML.
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 06:03
    [alice] Thanks :) I should file a spec bug then
  25. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 04 06:05
    on what? the definition of widget?
  26. ah - they are in the list of widget roles.... i see now
  27. yeah - i think that would be a bug
  28. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 04 06:10
    I think matt has already logged it
  29. w3c/aria#512
  30. and it is fixed in the editors draft http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#Properties
  31. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 06:14
    [alice] wew
  32. [alice] http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html#widget_roles yeah!
  33. [alice] Ok now I don't need to worry about that philosophical conundrum any more
  34. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 04 06:15
    :)
  35. glad i could help
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 06:15
    [alice] much obliged!
  37. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 06:57
    [alice] [as an aside: I feel like the answer to many of my "what's up with the ARIA spec" issues is "Oh yeah Matt King filed a bug for that already. Guy is doing phenomenal work.]
  38. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 11:55
    [michiel] jamesn:
  39. [michiel] jamesn, karlgroves: I was thought that in order to do PDF accessibility you need to be drunk. Hence the time restriction.
  40. [michiel] taught*
  41. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 12:47
    [car] ^thot
  42. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 20:46
    [spell] Hey all! Does anybody have an opinion about this consultancy? Good? Bad? https://www.essentialaccessibility.com
  43. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 21:03
    [jiatyan] @spell, not heard of them. But they should probably pause that continuous video, put a skip nav in, and make sure to pick a red which has enough contrast for links.
  44. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 21:13
    [spell] Heh. Thanks, @jiatyan. Keep 'em coming, folks. Thanks!
  45. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 22:12
    [karlgroves] @spell http://www.karlgroves.com/2012/04/19/can-assistive-technology-make-a-website-accessible/
  46. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 04 22:27
    Guess the alt text I just found (was in an email) - http://i.imgur.com/o6jvaiu.png
  47. I'll give people 5 minutes
  48. (it was also a link to USPS.com as that is important information to know)
  49. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 22:29
    [karlgroves] Can’t wait to hear this
  50. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 04 22:30
    no guesses
  51. alt="USPS.com home. The profile of an eagle's head adjoining the words United States Postal Service are the two elements that are combined to form the corporate signature."
  52. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 22:30
    [karlgroves] Given the # of errors on their home page my first assumption would be that there isn’t any.
  53. [karlgroves] Awesome
  54. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 04 22:31
    although I just learned their logo is meant to be an eagle's head
  55. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 22:31
    [karlgroves] In previous iterations it was more obvious
  56. James Nurthen
    @jnurthen
    May 04 22:32
    I wonder if they realise that if you don't know the history that the logo doesn't really represent what they think it does
  57. .... but they probably don't care about us foreigners
  58. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 22:33
    [karlgroves] Yeah. Because it definitely doesn’t look like anything right now
  59. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 04 23:53
    [car] Might look a bit like an eagle's head in a wind tunnel... <g>
  60. [car] I was going to guess alt="USPS.com", but I wasn't even close.