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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 18th of May 2017

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 00:29
    [quidkid] I’m having an issue with the HTML5 video player, just a regular one with the closed captioning. Currently I’m dynamically updating the track src and the video src using Javascript whenever a different video gets played. However, when i turn on Closed captioning, it always uses the closed captioning of the previously played video. Super annoying. This is happening on Chrome and Safari. Not firefox though. Is this a browser bug or is it something I’ve done?
  2. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 12:19
    [deconspray] Happy Global Accessibility Awareness Day! :D
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 15:12
    [mattbartist] a good link to share with co-workers… http://globalaccessibilityawarenessday.org/participate.html
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 16:24
    [garcialo] Thoughts on color alone being used to distinguish between links and visited links?
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 17:24
    [tyronem] are the colors distinct enough so that color blind users can distinguish the two?
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 18:50
    [mattbartist] @garcialo : i’ve always thought at there should be some other distinction for ‘visited’ links… like the are italics with a color change
  7. [garcialo] @tyronem I just mean in general. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anyone call it out as an issue.
  8. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 18:58
    [garcialo] @mattbartist Yeah perhaps. I haven’t really put too much thought into that particular case. Will probably see if there is any mention of it in WCAG Techniques or something, but my pedantic knee jerk reaction is that there should be some visual distinction to meet 1.4.1. My devil’s advocate says “maybe ‘visited’ isn’t important enough information to communicate.” As in…maybe the visited state isn’t used much by anyone regardless of ability anyway, so no one would be put out as much if it fails. Maybe akin to having a 4.49:1 color contrast ratio.
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 20:53
    [quidkid] I’m having a hard time convincing my coworkers that with accessibility doesn’t doesn’t have to take a hit. Is there no way to make a site with background video and a text only version accessible?
  10. [tyronem] @quidkid there’s a word missing here. “with accessibility doesn’t doesn’t have to take a hit”
  11. [quidkid] fixed thanks @tyronem
  12. [quidkid] design doesn’t*
  13. [tyronem] ah, that makes sense. Thanks.
  14. [tyronem] There might be a way to make a page work that has a background video. The text-only version - is it a separate page, or a separate site? (Usually those are frowned upon - separate but equal =/= acceptable)
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 21:03
    [quidkid] @tyronem the text only site is the same as the mobile version
  16. [violet] @quidkid if the video doesn’t contribute meaning/information, then it’s okay to make it ignored by screenreaders (same with giving decorative images empty alt text). separately, and this might be the wrong moment for this battle, but a background video can also create accessibility problems for people who might not use screenreaders but might have vision/attention/motion sickness issues
  17. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 21:08
    [violet] depending on the content of the video, the elements around it, etc. but a background video with stuff on top of it might not be great design to begin with
  18. [tyronem] well said @violet
  19. [violet] :) idk what your exact situation is but I find myself in similar circumstances pretty often
  20. [violet] I hope you & your team figure out a good option :tada:
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 21:18
    [bethra] I did it! I gave a 25 minute GAAD a11y presentation without throwing up! ;P
  22. [bethra] Less people in attendance than I'd hope for, but it's a start.
  23. [quidkid] @violet thank you so much! it’s a very sticky situation because a lot of time and money was spent remediating the website to make it WCAG AA friendly and now background video isn’t allowed with the option of a text-only version.. it’s just… i dunno what to say
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 21:24
    [violet] @quidkid I’m not familiar with WCAG guidelines specifically about background video — assumed that the background image rules applied. does WCAG AA forbid bg video? (sorry I’m not familiar with this exact guideline :S )
  25. [quidkid] @violet
  26. [quidkid] it doesn’t explicitly do that
  27. [violet] oooh this write-up is really good! thanks for sharing
  28. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 21:29
    [violet] I interpreted background videos more as a variant on background images than as moving content
  29. [violet] but I totally agree with the article’s examples. super lowkey video, preferably not looping, to start with
  30. [tyronem] I was going to ask if it would make it more accessible if the background video didn’t autoplay - but I think that would lead to very few users allowing it to autoplay.
  31. [tyronem] (marketing / creative folks would be very upset)
  32. [quidkid] yeah so there is a skip button before the video autoplays
  33. [quidkid] there is also volume control and pause button
  34. [violet] ohh the video has sound?
  35. [quidkid] yeah but it’s like ambient sound
  36. [quidkid] no words
  37. [quidkid] purely decorative
  38. [tyronem] that could be very distracting
  39. [violet] also you probs already encountered this but sound = no autoplay on mobile Safari
  40. [quidkid] mobile view is the text only version
  41. [violet] +1
  42. [quidkid] with the actual video the whole interactive site was based off with a voiceover
  43. [quidkid] although it still needs a transcript
  44. [violet] cool
  45. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    May 18 21:35
    [violet] yeah if there’s sound there should defs be a volume control. also a good place to put a skip/pause button.
  46. [violet] your bg video situation sounds a little more involved than what I’ve worked with before