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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 14th of June 2017

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 00:00
    [geekf] On Android, which browser is used more with Talkback? Firefox or Chrome? In my tests Firefox works better but Chrome is the default browser on all Android phones.
  2. [caesar] Most stats say Chrome followed by the Stock Android Browser (which is essentially Chrome but stripped of branding and features)
  3. [caesar] But I don't think there are any stats of Talkback use.
  4. [caesar] Also, don't forget forks like Samsung's Voice Assistant
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 06:58
    [geekf] Thanks @caesar. Would keep that in mind.
  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 09:26
    [veyfeyken] @michiel I've got a question about the aria alert example: https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/examples/alert/index.html
  7. [veyfeyken] aria-live and aria-atomic properties are nowhere to be found in the code?
  8. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 09:32
    [veyfeyken] role="alert" automatically adds this to accessibility tree?
  9. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 12:23
    [sri429] Q: a div added for aria-describedby (for extra description) is hidden from visible user but not to a Screen reader user. Now if using jaws arrow navigation if this is accessible is it a voilation?
  10. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 12:54
    [veyfeyken] Your question doesn't make sense. Could you try to rephrase that?
  11. [veyfeyken] Or post a link?
  12. Aaron Smith
    @basiphobe
    Jun 14 13:45
    Hello. I have a question about background video content, like you find at http://master.dealerwebadmin.com/heros/hero-with-video/, and https://www.pebblebeach.com/. Do the WCAG 1.2.X guidelines apply to this kind of content, or should it be treated more like, say, an animated gif?
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 13:58
    [veyfeyken] I would put it under 2.2.2 Pause, Stop, Hide.
    Not under Time-based media.
  14. Aaron Smith
    @basiphobe
    Jun 14 14:22
    That makes some sense. Thanks.
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 16:24
    [tink] q+
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 16:50
    [garcialo] Definitely a 2.2.2 failure; it starts automatically, is presented alongside other content, and last longer than 5 seconds.
  17. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 17:03
    [jamesn] @garcialo I see a pause button on the first one though. If this were moved to the top left so it were more easily visible I think this passes 2.2.2. The pebble beach one I can't find any way to pause it so agree this fails
  18. [garcialo] So yes..the pause control needs to also meet guidelines. Which guideline do you think this doesn’t meet?
  19. [garcialo] I hadn’t scrolled down that far on the first one so didn’t notice it until you mentioned it. :p
  20. [garcialo] oh…I do like that it’s right after the skip link
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 17:09
    [garcialo] would make more sense if the page scrolled it into view when it had focus
  22. [jamesn] Yep.... that is why i think it might fail. When tabbing if your window isn't big enough the focus disappears....
  23. [jamesn] perhaps not a 2.2.2 fail though
  24. [garcialo] well, it would fail 2.2.2 if it didn’t have an accessible control
  25. [jamesn] anyway - I don't honestly care what something fails if it fails!
  26. [garcialo] agreed
  27. [jamesn] I probably would if i had to write WCAG reports for people - but I don't :)
  28. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 17:15
    [garcialo] so, do you think it’s fails just because the user has to scroll down to find it? what if that sticky footer wasn’t there and the control was visible…albeit, all the way on the bottom right of the video?
  29. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 17:27
    [jamesn] I think if focus becomes "invisible" it fails 2.4.7
  30. [jamesn] As long as focus is visible it passes.
  31. [jamesn] Now - if focus jumps around you then have to judge if it passes or fails 2.4.3
  32. [jamesn] in order to avoid these judgement calls I would advise moving the button. I would also (if I had my way) let someone click pretty much anywhere on the video to pause it.
  33. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 17:34
    [garcialo] that makes sense; I agree
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Jun 14 20:02
    [callie] Hi, all.
  35. [jamesn] helo
  36. [tink] waves
  37. stevefaulkner
    @stevefaulkner
    Jun 14 21:42
    @jnurthen hey james, wanted to ask you if i could make use content in your CSUN ARIA 1.1 presentation https://jnurthen.github.io/presentations/aria-csun.html#/ with credit of course ?