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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 25th of August 2017

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 02:49
    [sylvia] We use 3Play at work, and they are very easy to work with.
  2. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Aug 25 03:46
    VoiceOver for Mac announces <video> elements as toolbars. This role makes sense for the controls, as they are collection of commonly used function buttons or controls, but not for the canvas itself. Would overriding this as presentation when the controls are not present be appropriate?
  3. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 09:03
    [serendavies] Hey where is the pest place to ask for help with an accessibility html issue?
  4. [tink] Here :)
  5. [serendavies] Thank you, so a friend is asking me for help and I don't really know the answer so hoping someone here does.

    She has this markup

        <div>         <dt></dt>         <dd></dd>     </div>     <div>         <dt></dt>         <dd></dd>     </div> </dl>
    

    aXe is telling her the div can’t be there, but there’s no element that can be used to wrap dt and dd and they need to be wrapped… so she is wondering what the best thing to do is and could she replace the div with a dd and just have <dd><dt></dt><dd></dd></dd>

  6. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 09:08
    [tink] The best thing to do is ignore the message from aXe.
  7. [tink] The div element is an allowed child of the dl element, according to the HTML5.2 spec https://www.w3.org/TR/html52/grouping-content.html#the-dl-element
  8. [tink] HTML5.2 is a Candidate Recommendation at the moment, so it' possible aXe won't update its heuristics until it becomes an official W3C Recommendation ater thi syear.
  9. [tink] *Later this year.
  10. [serendavies] OO thank you so much :)
  11. [tink] NP :)
  12. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 09:17
    [jarradgrigg] Hey all, new to this Slack. Looking forward to learning new things about wcag 2.0.
  13. [tink] waves. Hello
  14. [jarradgrigg] hey!
  15. [jarradgrigg] From Perth. Work at Juicebox Creative.
  16. [tink] Perth Aus or Perth Scotland?
  17. [jarradgrigg] Perth Aus
  18. [tink] Cool.
  19. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 11:35
    [eystein] Hah, that was quick! Hi @jarradgrigg :wave:
  20. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 12:28
    [dakeyras7] hi y’all :wave: i’m new here. heard this is a good spot for a11y talk
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 12:33
    [dean] Folks. I’m going to revamp my site soon, and as I haven’t touched code in a long time I feel I’m best suited to switch from my Jekyll site to a nice friendly off-the-shelf alternative. I’d love to use something like Medium, but they have no way to include ALT text on images…. anybody know of a nice solution?
  22. Chris O'Brien
    @a11ycob
    Aug 25 14:46
    ALT text question here: If you have a training document, as an example, and you outline all the relevant steps in the text and then add an image which illustrates that - is that image now considered decorative?
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 15:11
    [michael.serna] @serendavies The <dt> and <dd> should be child elements of <dl>.
    https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/dl
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 15:18
    [kivi] @a11ycob IMHO no. Screenshots do carry information; that's why we include them in documentation to begin with.
  25. [quidkid] hey guys do you know if there are any in person/on site PDF remediation training available in the Philly area?
  26. LauraOU
    @LauraOU
    Aug 25 15:19
    @allycob its not decorative as say, a beach image would be. But if you have all the steps described in the surrounding content, then the alt doesn't need to duplicate all of that.
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 15:30
    [spell] Hey all! Quick question regarding aria-invalid. Is it required when using aria-required (or required) or is more of an enhancement?
  28. Chris O'Brien
    @a11ycob
    Aug 25 15:44
    Fair enough. Thanks @LauraOU @kivi
  29. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 16:02
    [simong] Has anybody ever added tags to a PDF document using adobe acrobat and later found out that the /Marked property from the document catalog was still set to false?
  30. [simong] The tags are persisted to the PDF, but the /Marked property never seems to get set
  31. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Aug 25 17:02

    I have a question about toggling a play/pause button. From Toggle Buttons, Inclusive Components:

    Never change label and state at the same time.

    And one of the example’s given is a play/pause button. I think it recommends just changing the label. However, this caveat is mentioned:

    The problem with this method is that the label change is not announced as it happens.

    So, is that a poison I should just live with, or is there something I should do to announce the change?

  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 18:22
    [marcysutton] A little housekeeping tip–if your specific questions aren't answered because of the volume in #general, try asking again in a dedicated channel like #aria-patterns or #pdf. Might increase the likelihood that you get an answer.
  33. [marcysutton] The general channel is the only one piped to Gitter, though, so there is a drawback to it. But if it means getting an answer it's worth it IMO.
  34. Jonathan Neal
    @jonathantneal
    Aug 25 19:20
    Thanks, marcysutton. I was unaware of the other channels, but I’ve also only ever been on here via gitter.
  35. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 19:23
    [marcysutton] if anyone needs admin help for their account, let me know. You can also always get in to Slack via http://web-a11y.herokuapp.com.
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Aug 25 20:20
  37. [elliottregan]
    *My Question:* How detailed should instructional text be to helpful? I’m trying to find the balance between having the full instructions visible for users who need it, while not overwhelming users with a whole bunch of text (especially on small screens). This is also a screen that users will see every day, and instructions will quickly become unnecessary (and distracting) for a large majority of users.

    Do you have any good examples of helpful instructional text that doesn’t feel overwhelming on mobile devices? I’m trying to avoid using screen-reader-only text when I can.

  38. [elliottregan] (I left some slack comments on the image file to give context)