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A11y Slackers Gitter Channel Archive 8th of September 2017

What fresh hell is THIS now? - Patrick Lauke
  1. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 10:20
    [dholakiya1993] Can some suggest good interactive library for Data lineage.
  2. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 12:20
    [avraam] Question :) : Is there any universal way (keyboard shortcut) to display to the users the accessKeys that are available in a page?
  3. [avraam] Github for example displays the available shortcuts using Shift + ? but they are not 100% accessKeys, they are more like shortcuts
  4. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 12:48
    [sarahebourne] @vyku As a heavy keyboard user, my preferred order for sign-in is UserName, Password, Remember me or other sign-in related toggles, Submit/sign in, forgot name or password.
    The only other toggle I can think of that wouldn't annoy me would be if you have to check something to indicate acceptance of terms of use. (Well, that still might annoy me, but not because of the design.)
    My favorite ones are where I can enter my name and password and hit enter - about as clean as you can get.
  5. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 14:39
    [vyku] Thanks @sarahebourne I prefer that order however some argue to provide the enroll option first and then sign-in. I think we must have the learn more/ T& C link before submit button
  6. [sarahebourne] I only enroll once, but then have to sign in multiple times. It's common to see a page that says "Sign in or enroll now!" linking to a login place and to a sign up place. So, once you've picked one, it's nice to have an option there to go to the other one in case you were wrong, but it shouldn't be the first thing.
  7. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 16:42
    [spell] Hey gang, quick question. I have a link in an inline SVG. <title> is present, but NVDA not reading it out. Also, when I tab to the links and use "enter", nothing happens on IE11. Any suggestions?
  8. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 16:52
    [svinkle] @spell Markup example?

  9. [spell] Hey, @svinkle. Here you go: <a xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink" xlink:href="/nevada-jobs"> 

    <polygon class="st1" points="104.5,106.3 132.5,110.3 121,177 119.9,189.9 115.9,189.9 110.9,200.4 58.5,139 68.9,98.1 "> <title>Nevada</title> </polygon>

    </a>

  10. [spell] Here is a link to the page itself. Map is on the bottom: https://walgreensclinic.runmytests.com/locations
  11. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 16:59
    [svinkle] @spell I actually did something similar recently. Check the map on this page: http://ladieslearningcode.com/codeday/#register
  12. [svinkle] @spell The GitHub repo for this site is private but you can see the JS I added to make the map more accessible at the very bottom of the file here: http://ladieslearningcode.com/codeday/js/scripts.js
  13. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 17:04
    [svinkle] @spell Basically, don’t rely on <title> as it’s very unpredictable and has spotty support. Instead, use an aria-label on each item.
  14. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 17:14
    [marcysutton] or use aria-labelledby to expose the title element everywhere. maybe IE11 doesn't support xlink:href ?
  15. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 17:26
    [svinkle] Will using aria-labelledby to expose the title element result in a double announcement for environments that support <title>?
  16. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 17:36
    [marcysutton] I wouldn't think so, ARIA is simply helping to expose an accessible name for the SVG element
  17. [marcysutton] where some browsers already map it correctly
  18. [marcysutton] Maybe if you navigated the SVG nodes with a screen reader? But if it's being used as an icon or something inside of an anchor, the accessible name is the accessible name.
  19. [svinkle] > the accessible name is the accessible name
    Thats legit. (sweat smile emoji)
  20. [marcysutton] Highly technical =D
  21. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 17:46
    [marcysutton] As an FYI, if you don't already have this tool enabled, turn on the Accessibility inspector in Chrome. You can see how the accessible name gets exposed for a given element (amongst other things). It won't necessarily reflect the outcome of accessible name calculation in IE and JAWS, but it's still good for developing a mental model: https://gist.github.com/marcysutton/0a42f815878c159517a55e6652e3b23a
  22. [marcysutton] Edge has a similar accessibility tree inspector, sadly not IE though.
  23. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 17:52
    [bethanyh] Copy question: When presenting a hide vs. show label (ex. Hide all inactive users / Display only active users) what is the stance on that? The action accomplishes the same thing, but one of them works more positively for accessibility.
  24. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 18:10
    [mayabenari] Are there any organizations that offer usability testing by people with disabilities (without payment)?
  25. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 18:23
    [marcysutton] Testers should get paid for their time.
  26. [marcysutton] But you can look into Access Works: https://access-works.com/
  27. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 18:31
    [mayabenari] @marcysutton I agree with you, I work for the govt and it’s unclear right now how to pay for this service, where as an unpaid or “volunteer” service, we could do it today with a signed form
  28. [marcysutton] Would you expect people without disabilities to do volunteer testing?
  29. [mayabenari] Paying for this is something I’d definitely like to explore doing, there’s just no info around how to do this where I work unfortunately
  30. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 18:39
    [ghanek] ^^:skin-tone-4: hampered by government procurement redtape. :crying_cat_face:
  31. [quidkid] hey guys i’m using the react-aria-modal but when i embed a youtube video in it, when I try to tab, it doesn’t ever set focus to the play button. wondering if anyone has some insight!
  32. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 18:46
    [karlgroves] The US Rehabilitation Act was created specifically to increase employment opportunities for people with disabilities. It is little more than a tad ironic that we’d even contemplate having PWDs do work without paying them.
  33. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 19:14
    [droidpinkman] What is the percentage that can be shown somewhere via statistics measuring the percentage of people that actually turn JS off?
  34. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 19:45
    [mayabenari] @karlgroves The issue is not from a limitation of hiring PWDs, we have many excellent public servants that are PWDs, but about paying anybody for usability testing as a whole.
  35. [karlgroves] I understand. But I think it is important to consider that 1) All people deserve to be paid for their work and 2) PWDs are grossly underemployed and underpaid. So the question you asked was particularly insensitive to them.
  36. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 19:50
    [mayabenari] I apologies if the message came off as insensitive and will try to frame it better in the future. It’s an area that is ripe for improvement and I hope we find better ways of doing this in the future, like @ghanek mentioned it’s a bureaucratic red tape issue at the moment.
  37. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 20:06
    [sarahebourne] @mayabenari We have a statewide contract for a variety of IT accessibility services that can be used by other states - check the "Eligible Entities" section to see if your gov. would qualify. Most states make it easy to buy off of each other's master service contracts so we don't get frozen in that red tape. https://wiki.state.ma.us/display/assistivetechnologygroup/ITS61%3A+IT+Accessibility+Services+statewide+contract
  38. [mayabenari] @sarahebourne thank you for the info! Do you know if federal govt qualify for it?
  39. [sarahebourne] The feds aren't on the list, alas. But I know some of those companies do business via GSA, so I assume there's a federal equivalent someplace.
  40. [mayabenari] thanks, I’ll do some digging and see if there’s a similar contract available that we can use
  41. zakim-robot
    @zakim-robot
    Sep 08 20:13
    [sarahebourne] Good luck!