Seattle F2F 2014

Dates: 2014 January 27-29 Organizer: Sylvain Galineau, Adobe

Note:

• The SVG WG meeting will be held at the same location on the same day. January 29 (Wednesday) is currently planned to be a joint day where everyone shares the same room.
• Microsoft is hosting a Seattle Test the Web Forward event on Sunday, January 26. Sign up at http://ttwf-seattle.eventbrite.com if you can attend.
• There’s a Seattle web dev meetup on Wednesday, January 29th. Sign up at http://www.meetup.com/marquee-club/events/160982722/

Meeting Minutes

Monday, 27 January:

• Part I, Variables, Masking
• Part II, Syntax, Shapes, Serialization
• Part III, Shadow DOM
• Part IV, Transitions and Animations
• Part V, Propdef Tables, Grid Layout, Issue Tracking
• Part VI, CSS3 Backgrounds, CSS2.2, Counter Styles, -webkit-print-color-adjust
• Part VII, Selectors, Display

Tuesday, 28 January:

• Part I, Media Queries, Baseline Grids, currentColor
• Part II, Reversed Lists, Transforms, Display Module, 9-slice recap
• Part III, Fragmentation
• Part IV, Flexbox, <br>, Serialization and Shapes
• Part V, Regions

Wednesday, 29 January:

• Part I, Page Selectors and Groups, CSS2.1, Region Styling
• Part II, Scroll Snap Points
• Part III, will-change, Blending and Compositing
• Part IV, Masking, Gradients, SVG Text Fills
• Part V, Media Query Macros, CSSOM Value API
• Part VI, Custom Filters, SVG Hover Effects

Location

Adobe Seattle, 801 North 34th Street

The main entrance is in the north-east corner of the building.

Meeting room: Adobe U, first floor straight through the double doors after the reception, take a right at the end.

Dial-in info:

• Toll-free (US/Canada): 1-855-870-5454
• International dial-in: +1-408-773-6768
• Conference code: 9939150137
• For a toll-free number in your country, contact Sylvain Galineau

Parking: the visitor parking lot is on the East side of the building, under the Aurora bridge. (Nearly straight when you drive down the ramp from 34th St). Reception will give you a pass to hang from your mirror.

Weather Forecast: °C or °F

Participants

(Alphabetical by full name.)

Name	Representing	Arrive	Leave	Hotel	Flight Info	Notes
Alan Stearns	Adobe	(host)	(host)	home	N/A
Bert Bos	W3C	25 Jan	30 Jan	Hampton Inn Seattle-Downtown	KL6033 12:05 / KL6032 13:20
Brian Birtles	Mozilla	29-jan	31-jan	Courtyard Marriott	?
Cameron McCormack	Mozilla	28-Jan	01-Feb	Courtyard Marriott	AS223 22:58 / AS460 10:45	Low carbohydrate options preferred (i.e. meats, cheeses, salads, most veggies good), but don’t make too much special effort.
Chris Lilley	W3C	24-Jan	01-Feb	11th Avenue BnB	UA6249 16:14 / BA48 18:10	arriving SFO>SEA
Daniel Glazman	Samsung	25-jan	29-jan	Courtyard Marriott	AF3622 12:40pm / AS226 08:30pm
Dave Cramer	Hachette	24-Jan	30-jan	Courtyard Marriott	UA408 12:06pm / UA278 11:10am
Dirk Schulze	Adobe	24-Jan	31-Jan	Courtyard Marriott	No idea	arriving FRA>SEA
fantasai	Invited expert	26-Jan	30-Jan	TBD	United
Florian Rivoal	Invited expert	25-Jan	1-Feb	Courtyard Mariott	FI681 4:40PM / FI680 3:30PM
Glenn Adams	Cox					phone only
Israel Hilerio	Microsoft			home	N/A
Jacob Goldstein	Adobe	26-Jan	31-Jan
Kazutaka YAMAMOTO	NTT	26-Jan	30-Jan	The Edgewater	NH1178/NH1177
L. David Baron	Mozilla	26 Jan	29 Jan	Courtyard Marriott	UA1581 20:10 / UA6367 19:31
Leif Arne Storset	Opera	25 Jan	29 Jan	Courtyard Marriott	UA 1088 20:42 / WN 601 19:30	No onion, limit garlic and wheat. (Intolerance only, not an allergy. I.e. don’t worry that I’ll die if there’s a mistake.)
Matt Rakow	Microsoft			home	N/A
Peter Linss	HP	26-jan	01-feb	Courtyard Marriott	UA6249 04:19pm / UA816 01:10pm
Philippe Le Hegaret	W3C	26-Jan	29-Jan	Courtyard Marriott	UA1075 18:18 / UA0408 12:56
Rik Cabanier	Adobe	(host)	(host)	home	N/A	observer
Rossen Atanassov	Microsoft			home	N/A	pescaterian
Simon Fraser	Apple	26-Jan	29-Jan	Courtyard Marriott	AA227 /AA226
Simon Sapin	Mozilla	26-jan	30-jan	Courtyard Marriott	AA6929 2:50pm / BA48 6:10pm
Steve Zilles	Adobe	25 Jan	29 Jan	Marriott Courtyard	United
Sylvain Galineau	Adobe	(host)	(host)	home	N/A
Tab Atkins	Google	25-Jan	29-Jan	Courtyard Marriott	Amtrak in (~8:30pm) / Alaska 226 (8:30pm) out
Taichi KAWABATA	NTT	25-Jan	29-Jan	Marriott Lakeside	ANA NH1078/NH1077
Tantek Çelik	Mozilla	026	029	Courtyard Marriott	VX748 20:05 / VX759 19:05 20:05 😞	Pescetarian. No goat cheese (Intolerance only, not an allergy. As Leif said.)
Koji Ishii	Invited expert	25 Jan	30 Jan	Hampton Inn Seattle-Downtown	DL580 16:45 / DL9091 7:20

Regrets:

• Anton Prowse
• Lea Verou

Agenda

Monday

AM

• Variables - what’s left before CR?
• Masking - remaining issues, LC/CR
  • <shape-box> for clip-path ok?
  • bounding-box/bounding-client-rect as reference box
  • Fragmentation defined by box-decoration-break properties
  • mask-box or 9-sliced-image function
• Syntax 3 CR
  • http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0537.html
  • Move environment encoding for @import to Cascade, for <?xml-stylesheet into CSSOM
• Shapes - remaining issues, LC/CR
• Update on Shadow DOM Styling spec

PM

• Merging Animatable and Computed Value lines
• Grid - open issues, initial value of grid-auto-flow
• Issue tracking
• TTA - status, what’s left?, get it done
• Animations
  • start time of animations
• Backgrounds and Borders LC
• CSS 2.2
• Standardize “-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;” See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/-webkit-print-color-adjust, or option 7 in http://wiki.csswg.org/ideas/print-backgrounds
• Selectors
  • Consider :has() instead of the subject indicator
  • Punt anything that’s not stable, ship level 4

Tuesday

AM

• Mediaqueries
  • http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Nov/0122.html
  • http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Nov/0125.html
  • MQ4 review changes and FPWD?
  • deprecate device-width, device-height, device-aspect-ratio?
  • Add Tab as an editor
• Baseline grid
• CSS3 Color and currentColor erratum
• Reversed lists
• Transforms Issues
• Display spec - FPWD, naming display-extras and box, use fantasai’s run-in model

PM

• Fragmentation
  • background positioning/sizing on auto height and variable width fragments
  • fragmentation of borders with border radius going to the next fragment
  • specify transform-origin on fragmentation (follow up previous resolution)
• Flexbox - remaining issues, LC
• Shape serialization
• Elements as Regions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0090.html

Wednesday

AM

• Page selectors
• Simplify the object size of replaced elements
• will-change spec draft
• Scroll Snap Points

PM

• Blending/compositing, CR (FX day)
• Masking - remaining issues, LC/CR
  • userSpaceOnUse for HTML (FX day)
  • New boxes (possibly SVG specific) viewport, stroke-box (FX day)
• fill/stroke with background syntax (FX day)
• Proposal: ability to specify gradient midpoints (Rik)
• Custom media features
• Tab’s topics:
  • Selector and MQ aliases, bringing the power of custom properties to more of CSS: http://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-aliases/
  • Layout Transition Primitives, three small JS primitives for addressing the problem of transitioning between different layouts. (That is, “when I switch the ‘grid’ property, everything should fly to its new place!”.) http://tabatkins.github.io/specs/layout-transitions/
  • An initial sketch of an object-based OM: http://www.xanthir.com/b4UD0
  • A proposal for nesting CSS rules (revived from an older discussion!): http://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-nesting/

Transport to/from Airport

Traveling options to/from Sea-Tac Airport include:

• The Link Light Rail departs every 7.5 to 15 minutes depending on the time of day. The trip takes about 40mn end to end; the fare is $2.75 one way. This will get you to the Convention Center station, which is 3 miles south of the Adobe office. From the last station (Westlake), it’s about a 2km walk to the Courtyard Marriot.
• Taxi fares from the airport to downtown run around $50 + tip on average.
• Uber users pay $50 flat for a black car.

Housing

• Nearest hotels
  • Courtyard Seattle Downtown Lake Union
    • Same hotel we held the 2011 meeting at. ~2 miles from Adobe office.
    • You can book a room at the rate of $139/per day by either:
      • Following this URL
      • Calling (800)228-9290 or +1-(206)213-0100 and asking for a room in the Adobe Room Block
      • The room block is reserved from Saturday 1/25 until 2/2.
      • IMPORTANT: your reservation must be made before EOD Friday, January 3 (Pacific Time) to secure this rate
• Downtown hotels
  • http://www.hotelandra.com/Hotel Andra
  • Fairmont Seattle
  • Hotel Max
  • Seattle Marriott Waterfront
• Capitol Hill hotels
  • Though farther than downtown, Cap Hill is the fun and hip area of Seattle. Very walkable and a lot of restaurants, bars etc. Highly recommended if you’re going to spend a little extra time here but it will be more work to reach the meeting venue from here (while the inns below are not much farther from Adobe than the downtown waterfront, there is a lake in the way…)
  • Gaslight Inn
  • 11th Avenue Inn
• AirBnb
  • Though Seattle is not as clustered with Airbnb options as other cities, it is catching up.
  • The Fremont and Wallingford neighborhoods guarantee you walking distance to the meeting. The Eastlake neighborhood is bikable but remember: late January implies some rain.
  • A 3BR house in the same neighborhood as Adobe, ~12-15mn walk; no reviews yet but this would be my favorite to rent around here
  • Downtown 1 BR apartment
  • Downtown 2BR close to buses
  • Half of a bungalow within walking distance

Travel to/from Adobe

• At 3.8 miles the waterfront Marriott is the furthest from the office.
• A number of buses - 26, 28, 40 - can be taken from 3rd & Virginia downtown to Fremont. Ride time ~20-30mn depending on traffic. One-way ride fare is $2.50.
• Uber/UberX, Lyft and car2go are also available in Seattle.
• This being Seattle, bike rentals are available.
• Bus travel from Courtyard Marriott
  • The 40 and 62 buses travel stop within a block from our office, leaving on Westlake Ave. across from the hotel.
  • Both buses will stop right before the Fremont bridge (“Westlake Aly” stop).
  • Only the 40 crosses the bridge and stops at N 34th St.
  • If you get off before the bridge - or right after - the quickest way to Adobe is to start walking across the bridge then down the staircase to the canal bank. These staircases are located right after the blue towers on each side of the bridge. Watch for bike traffic both on the bridge and on the trail at the bottom of the stairs.
  • Fare: $2.50 at peak time, exact change upon boarding.

Group dinner

* This will be held at hunger a couple of blocks from our office on the evening of Tuesday 1/28/2014.

Proposed topics for the meeting

• Mediaqueries
  • MQ4 review changes and FPWD?
  • http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Nov/0122.html
  • http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2013Nov/0125.html
  • Add Tab as an editor
  • deprecate device-width, device-height, device-aspect-ratio?
• Standardize “-webkit-print-color-adjust: exact;” See https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/-webkit-print-color-adjust, or option 7 in http://wiki.csswg.org/ideas/print-backgrounds
• Elements as Regions: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2014Jan/0090.html
• Issue tracking
• Merging Animatable and Computed Value lines
• Masking - remaining issues, LC/CR
  • <shape-box> for clip-path ok?
  • bounding-box/bounding-client-rect as reference box
  • Fragmentation defined by box-decoration-break properties
  • mask-box or 9-sliced-image function
  • userSpaceOnUse for HTML (FX day)
  • New boxes (possibly SVG specific) viewport, stroke-box (FX day)
• Fragmentation
  • background positioning/sizing on auto height and variable width fragments
  • fragmentation of borders with border radius going to the next fragment
  • specify transform-origin on fragmentation (follow up previous resolution)
• Shapes - remaining issues, LC/CR
• Flexbox - remaining issues, LC
• Grid - open issues, initial value of grid-auto-flow
• TTA - status, what’s left?, get it done
• Update on Shadow DOM Styling spec
• Display spec - FPWD, naming display-extras and box, use fantasai’s run-in model
• Selectors
  • Consider :has() instead of the subject indicator
  • Punt anything that’s not stable, ship level 4
• CSS3 Color and currentColor erratum
• Variables - what’s left before CR?
• will-change spec draft
• Page selectors
• Reversed lists
• Animations
  • start time of animations
• fill/stroke with background syntax (FX day)
• Simplify the object size of replaced elements
• Proposal: ability to specify gradient midpoints (Rik)
• Baseline grid
• Syntax 3 CR
• Scroll Snap Points
• Move environment encoding for @import to Cascade, for <?xml-stylesheet into CSSOM
• CSS-Ruby Ruby-merge default value be auto?