Sydney F2F February 1-3 2016
- Host: Google
- Dates: Monday-Wednesday, February 01-3, 2016 (with SVG on Wednesday)
- Times: Doors will open from 8:30am. Meeting can run from 9:00am - 6:30pm as required.
Meeting Minutes
- Wednesday, 1 Feb Part I: Web Compat Challenges
- Wednesday, 1 Feb Part II: Tables, Colors, Transforms
- Wednesday, 1 Feb Part III: Writing Modes, Line Grid
- Wednesday, 1 Feb Part IV: Overflow
- Thursday, 2 Feb Part I: A report on research into automatic layout, CSS Text
- Thursday, 2 Feb Part II: Round Display
- Thursday, 2 Feb Part III: Behavior of contains:paint and overflow:clip, text-overflow and resize properties; CSS Text; Exclusions and bidi
- Thursday, 2 Feb Part IV: Snap Points, bookmark-level: auto, Sizing
- Friday, 3 Feb Part I: 2017 F2F Meetings, Scroll-linked Animations
- Friday, 3 Feb Part II: Fill & Stroke on CSS Text
- Friday, 3 Feb Part III: SVG Text Issues
- Friday, 3 Feb Part IV: CSS Masking, Filters, Gradients & Dithering, Investigation about JS API for Realizing Level of Details, Transitions and Animations, Matrices
Adjacent meetings
- 2016-01-30..31 Houdini Meeting in Sydney
- 2016-02-03 Joint meeting between CSS and SVG in Sydney
- 2016-02-04..06 SVG WG Meeting in Sydney
Dates to schedule around
- 2016-01-12..15 TAG Meeting in Melbourne, Australia
- 2016-01-30..31 FOSDEM in Brussels, Belgium
- 2016-02-01..05 linux.conf.au, Geelong (near Melbourne), Australia
Place
Google Sydney: Level 5, 48 Pirrama Road, Pyrmont
This map might help.
Meeting Rooms
- Main room:
- Corroboree, on Level 5 (opposite reception).
- Breakout rooms:
- Monday: Barangaroo, on Level 4 (all day) - 42 person room
- Tuesday AM: Howzat, on Level 6 (9am-1pm) - 14 person room
- Tuesday PM: Dreamtime, on Level 5 (1pm-5:30pm) - 18 person room
- Wednesday AM: Dreamtime, on Level 5 (9am-1pm) - 18 person room
- Wednesday PM: Redback, on Level 6 (1pm-5:30pm) - 16 person room
Instructions for arrival:
Please come directly up to level 5. A security guard will let you in and I will have a badge for you.
If you arrive after 9:30am, please either:
- call Shane Stephens on +61 405 491 744; or
- log on to the free Google Guest wifi (which should be accessible from the ground floor) and ping someone on #css.
Parking: If you think you’d like to drive to the meeting, please let Shane know and he will try and book parking for you at Google. Parking is limited. There are also parking stations nearby, particularly Harbourside.
Visa Requirements
A visa is required for US Citizens to enter Australia (citizens of other countries please check with the appropriate authorities), a visa may be obtained electronically from the Electronic Travel Authority web site.
For various other nationalities, you’re supposed to get a https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Visa-1/651-
Participants
Please, put your name in this table if you plan to participate (alphabetical order by given name):
| Name | Arrival | Departure | Hotel | Flight info and notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Alan Stearns | Jan 26 | Feb 6 | ?? | ?? |
| Andrey Rybka | Jan 31 | Feb 3 | Oaks Goldsbrough Apartments | AirNZ |
| Bert Bos | Jan 29 | Feb 4 | The Haven Glebe | VA891/VA640 |
| Brian Birtles | Jan 23 | Feb 9 | Oaks Goldsbrough Apartments | JAL |
| Dean Jackson | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Edward O’Connor | Jan 30 | Feb 6 | Sheraton on the Park | UA 863 / UA 870 |
| fantasai | Jan 30 | Feb 5 | Airbnb | NZ15+NZ103 / NZ104+NZ8 |
| Florian Rivoal | Jan 31 | Feb 4 | Airbnb | KE728+KE121 / KE122+KE721 |
| Greg Whitworth | Jan 27 | Feb 4 | ?? | ?? |
| Hiroshi Sakakibara | Jan 31 | Feb 4 | ?? | ?? |
| Hyojin Song | Jan 30, 08:40 | Feb 4 | Airbnb | OZ601 / OZ602 |
| Ian Kilpatrick | Jan 26 | Feb 7 | ?? | Qantas |
| Ian Vollick | Jan 29 | Feb 2 | ?? | United |
| Jihye Hong | Jan 30, 08:40 | Feb 4 | Airbnb | OZ601 / OZ602 |
| Joone Hur | Jan 29 08:35 | Feb 5 14:30 | Airbnb | UA 863 / UA 870 |
| Koji Ishii | ?? | 2016-02-04(?) | ?? | ?? |
| L. David Baron | 29 Jan, 14:35 | 6 Feb, 14:30 | Airbnb / ?? | ANZ119 / UAL870 |
| Jet Villegas | 29 Jan, 14:35 | 5 Feb, 11:50 | Sydney Travelodge / ?? | ANZ119 / ANZ104 |
| Peter Linss | Jan 28/29 | Feb 8 | Novotel Sydney | Car / UA840 |
| Rossen Atanassov | Jan 29 | Feb 8 | ?? | pescatarian |
| Simon Fraser | ?? | ?? | ?? | ?? |
| Simon Pieters | Jan 29 (22:30) | Feb 3 (21:45) | Airbnb | QF 8414 / QF 8413 |
| Steve Zilles | Jan 27 | Feb 4 | Merton Serviced Apartments | UA |
| Takao Baba | Jan 31 | Feb 4 | ?? | ?? |
| Tantek Çelik | 2016-01-30 08:35 | 2016-02-04 14:30 | Airbnb | UAL863 / UAL870 |
Regrets
- Dave Cramer
- Dael Jackson
- Dongwoo Joshua Im
- Chris Lilley (travel budget, Bert will attend)
- Brad Kemper (but would like to call in or Skype in or whatever during Sydney mornings, especially for the round display stuff)
Please note that Jan 26 is a public holiday in Australia
Network
The GoogleGuest network will be available throughout the building. No password is required.
Travel to/from airport
A taxi from the airport to the meeting venue will cost between $30 and $50, depending on traffic. There’s generally only a short wait to get a taxi, and a fairly orderly queue. This is probably the most convenient, and also the cheapest if you share with others…
If staying in Chinatown, the airport train line is reasonably convenient. A one-way ticket is $16.40. If you’re staying in Pyrmont, you can still take the train, then jump on the light rail from ‘Central’ to ‘the Star’. You’ll need to pay $4.60 (in cash) after boarding the train.
Some hotels offer complimentary bus transfers to/from the airport - check with your hotel when booking.
Money
The Australian dollar (AUD). See exchange rates.
You should be able to use your credit card pretty much everywhere (especially Mastercard and Visa). Diners Club cards tend to attract a fee or not be accepted. Checks are not generally accepted.
Electricity
230V, 50Hz, 10A flat, angled awesome pins
Notice the small switch on the side. Unless you flip it on, don’t expect the power socket to do much for you.
Schedule
Monday AM
- CSS Web Compat challenges (tantek, Daniel to call in, rbyers leaving Mon)
- E.g. 0 vs 0deg:
- How do we decide to fix browsers vs fix spec? Like for this 0 vs 0deg example.
- How do we get browser vendors to report when they implement *new* quirks (presumably for web compat)?
- How do we get member sites to stop depending on CSS vendor prefixes? (e.g. Gmail “yelling at the internal teams”)
- Tables specification (Greg, François to call in)
- table header and footer repetition: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0135.html (Florian)
- Applying css-containment to table cells https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0141.html (florian)
- Colors
- Supported extended color displays: outside-sRGB colors, media queries etc. (smfr) Prefer Monday.
- CSS Transforms: path and obstacles to CR?
Monday PM
- CSS Writing Modes
- test status and the road to PR/REC [koji]
- Line-grid
- Snap heights – a simpler Line Grid? [koji]
- inline-grid / character-grid: The MVP for good CJK layout http://www.w3.org/mid/31B1844A-8D09-481C-8688-985AE82A6770@rivoal.net (florian)
- CSS Overflow - open issues and how to fix them
Tuesday AM
- CSS Houdini FPWD specs
- A report on research into automatic layout (Bert). (Just before the ftf, I’ll be in Melbourne to talk to, among others, researchers at Monash. I expect I’ll come back with some interesting things to report on.) 30 mins? (Daniel and François to call in)
- CSS Text
- Aligning table columns on decimal point and its variations, including issue 18 in css-text-4 ED and tables section of dpub-latinreq ED. Also discussed on list starting here (Bert)(Dave C. would like to call in for this)
- CSS Round Display (Brad K to call in)
- Percentages of ‘polar-distance’ when origin is not the center of the containing block https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0152.html (jihye)
- Polar positioning in absolute positioning https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0134.html (jihye, brad)
- Using polar properties as CSS 3D transforms function https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0217.html (joone)
- Suggest a new type of pseudo-class to support scrolling in rounded viewports https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0255.html (jihye)
- Change device-radius to device-corner-radius in the spec https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Oct/0220.html (hyojin)
- Extension of @viewport rule - two types of viewport(inner/outer of the display shape) (hyojin)
- Robustness of CSS on non rectangular displays https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0050.html (florian)
- Revision of CSS Round Display WD
Tuesday PM
- Behavior of contains:paint and overflow:clip, text-overflow and resize properties (Ojan)
- Font OM
- Status of https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/ (smfr/dino/hober)
- CSS Text
- white-space: pre-wrap / pre-wrap-auto http://www.w3.org/mid/56402730.50405@inkedblade.net (florian)
- text-wrap: balance and fragmentation http://www.w3.org/mid/36D11879-0E75-4172-BE7E-7A97C0F11F01@rivoal.net (florian)
- CSS Text Decorations (koji)
- text-underline-position www-style thread
- CSS Exclusions and bidi (koji, shane)
- Doesn’t seem to be any specification prose describing the interaction.
- Snap-points
- Applicability to pseudo-elements https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0193.html (florian)
- Snappability of unreachable elements https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0191.html (florian)
- indirect scrolling https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0296.html (florian)
- Is this still relevant, or do snap-points cover its use cases https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-sticky-scrollbars/ (florian)
- “bookmark-level: auto” Possible? Needed? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0310.html (florian)
- UAs behave differently (Webkit/Blink vs Gecko/Edge/AHF/Prince) for relative positioning and fragmentation: http://jsbin.com/fuloge/1/edit?html,css,output (florian)
Wednesday AM
- Upcoming meetings
Track 1
- Fill/Stroke on CSS Text
- background-clip: text (jet)
- Text issues (http://tavmjong.free.fr/SVG/TEXT_SYDNEY_2016/) (Tav) https://github.com/w3c/svgwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Needs+CSS+WG%22
- ‘dominant-baseline’
- Text wrapping
- CSS Sizing
- CSS Alignment
Track 2
- fast-tracking customized scrolling (shane)
Wednesday PM
- conflicting auto values in mask shorthand (mask-mode must not have auto) (dbaron) (maybe an FX topic)
- CSS Transitions and Animations: path and obstacles to CR?
- Filters: (Tav)
- Avoiding artifacts with lighting filters.
- Status of Filters Level 1
- Filters Level 2
- Investigation about JS API for realizing Level of Details (Proposals/Investigation_of_APIs_for_Level_of_detail) (Stakagi : I will arrive at noon. )
Proposed topics
CSSWG
- CSS Round Display
- Robustness of CSS on non rectangular displays https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0050.html (florian)
- issues and new ideas - to be updated (hyojin)
- Percentages of ‘polar-distance’ when origin is not the center of the containing block https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0152.html (jihye)
- Polar positioning in absolute positioning https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0134.html (jihye, brad)
- Suggest a new type of pseudo-class to support scrolling in rounded viewports https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0255.html (jihye)
- Using polar properties as CSS 3D transforms function(joone). https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0217.html
- CSS Text
- white-space: pre-wrap / pre-wrap-auto http://www.w3.org/mid/56402730.50405@inkedblade.net (florian)
- text-wrap: balance and fragmentation http://www.w3.org/mid/36D11879-0E75-4172-BE7E-7A97C0F11F01@rivoal.net (florian)
- Aligning table columns on decimal point and its variations, including issue 18 in css-text-4 ED and tables section of dpub-latinreq ED. Also discussed on list starting here (Bert)(Dave C. would like to call in for this)
- Tables specification (Greg)
- table header and footer repetition: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0135.html (Florian)
- A report on research into automatic layout (Bert). (Just before the ftf, I’ll be in Melbourne to talk to, among others, researchers at Monash. I expect I’ll come back with some interesting things to report on.) 30 mins?
- CSS Text Decorations (koji)
- text-underline-position www-style thread
- CSS Writing Modes
- test status and the road to PR/REC [koji]
- Line-grid
- Snap heights – a simpler Line Grid? [koji]
- inline-grid / character-grid: The MVP for good CJK layout http://www.w3.org/mid/31B1844A-8D09-481C-8688-985AE82A6770@rivoal.net (florian)
- Colors
- Supported extended color displays: outside-sRGB colors, media queries etc. (smfr) Prefer Monday.
- Font OM
- Status of https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-font-display/ (smfr/dino/hober)
- CSS Overflow - open issues and how to fix them
- CSS Web Compat challenges (tantek)
- E.g. 0 vs 0deg:
- How do we decide to fix browsers vs fix spec? Like for this 0 vs 0deg example.
- How do we get browser vendors to report when they implement *new* quirks (presumably for web compat)?
- How do we get member sites to stop depending on CSS vendor prefixes? (e.g. Gmail “yelling at the internal teams”)
- CSS Exclusions and bidi (koji, shane)
- Doesn’t seem to be any specification prose describing the interaction.
- Snap-points
- Applicability to pseudo-elements https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0193.html (florian)
- Snappability of unreachable elements https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0191.html (florian)
- indirect scrolling https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2016Jan/0296.html (florian)
- Is this still relevant, or do snap-points cover its use cases https://tabatkins.github.io/specs/css-sticky-scrollbars/ (florian)
- “bookmark-level: auto” Possible? Needed? https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Nov/0310.html (florian)
- Applying css-containment to table cells https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-style/2015Aug/0141.html (florian)
Extra topics:
- CSS-Break:
- UAs behave differently (Webkit/Blink vs Gecko/Edge/AHF/Prince) for relative positioning and fragmentation: http://jsbin.com/fuloge/1/edit?html,css,output (florian)
FXTF(Special Effects Task Force)
- conflicting auto values in mask shorthand (mask-mode must not have auto) (dbaron) (maybe an FX topic)
- Fill/Stroke on CSS Text
- CSS Transforms: path and obstacles to CR?
- CSS Transitions and Animations: path and obstacles to CR?
- background-clip: text (jet)