CSSWG 2nd Virtual F2F

As the title suggests and in order to keep the world a safe place for living, this is again going to be entirely virtual face-to-face meeting.

Schedule

Links to Meet: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-css-wg/2020JulSep/0028.html

We will work in 45-minute shifts, with a 15-minute break, a 30-minute break, then a 15-minute break again.

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20200727T20

July 27 (28)

 10pm -  2am Paris
  9pm -  1am London
  4pm -  8pm New York
  1pm -  5pm San Francisco
  5am -  9am Tokyo
  6am - 10am Melbourne

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20200728T20

July 28 (29)

 10pm -  2am Paris
  9pm -  1am London
  4pm -  8pm New York
  1pm -  5pm San Francisco
  5am -  9am Tokyo
  6am - 10am Melbourne

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20200730T14

July 30 (31)

  4pm -  8pm Paris
  3pm -  7pm London
 10am -  2pm New York
  7am - 11am San Francisco
 11pm -  3am Tokyo
 12am -  4am Melbourne

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20200731T14

July 31 (Aug 1)

  4pm -  8pm Paris
  3pm -  7pm London
 10am -  2pm New York
  7am - 11am San Francisco
 11pm -  3am Tokyo
 12am -  4am Melbourne

Venue tech

Meet. Details on the member-only list: TBD

We will use #css on IRC for all meeting coordination. People can use the chat in Meet for backchannel conversations, but please do not expect the meeting chairs or scribe to notice or follow that extra channel.

Participants

Name	Affiliation	Monday	Tuesday	Thursday	Friday
Alan Stearns	Adobe	yes	yes	yes	yes
Alison Maher	Microsoft	yes	yes	yes	yes
Amelia B-R	In.Ex.	some	some	prob. not	prob. late
Brian Kardell	Igalia	yes	yes	only 2nd half	yes
Cameron McCormack	Mozilla	yes	yes	no	no
Chris Lilley	W3C	first half	yes	yes	yes
Daniel Holbert	Mozilla	yes	yes	no	yes
Dave Cramer	Hachette	yes	yes	no	no
David Baron	Mozilla	probably (with decreasing probability over time); Also missing part of Tuesday and roughly first half of Friday		no	no
Devin Rousso	Apple Inc	✅	✅	✅	✅
Emilio	Mozilla	1st half?	1st half?	yes	yes
fantasai	IE	yes	yes	yes	yes
Florian Rivoal	Invited Expert	unlikely	yes	yes	yes
François REMY	Invited Expert	first half	yes	yes	maybe
Fuqiao Xue	W3C	part	part	part	part
Greg Whitworth	Salesforce	No	No	YES - I'm visiting family so will probably only be able to attend from 7am - 9/10ish SF time. So if we can put any form control related issues on these days
Jen Simmons	Apple Inc	yes	yes	yes	no
Jonathan Kew	Mozilla	1st half?	1st half?	yes	yes
Koji Ishii	Google	no	yes	maybe	yes
Lea Verou	IE	yes	yes	yes	yes
Megan Gardner	Apple Inc	maybe	✅	✅	✅
Melanie Richards	Microsoft	No	No	Calling in for controls topics :)	No
Mike Bremford	BFO	first half	yes	yes	yes
Miriam Suzanne	Invited Expert	yes	yes	maybe/part	maybe/part
Myles C. Maxfield	Apple Inc	✅	✅	✅	✅
Oriol Brufau	Igalia	yes	yes	only 2nd half	yes
Rachel Andrew	Fronteers	❌	❌	✅	✅
Rossen Atanassov	Microsoft	yes	yes	yes	yes
Sam Sneddon	Apple Inc	❌	🤷🏻 (first half?)	✅	🤷🏻
Simon Fraser	Apple Inc	some		second half
Theresa O'Connor	Apple Inc	✅	first half	second half
Tab Atkins	Google	yes	yes	yes	yes
Tantek Çelik	Mozilla	✅	last 3/4	🤷🏻‍♂️	✅

If you can’t make one of the days, mark any topics you want to be present for with a milestone for a day you can attend.

Agenda Schedule

Monday

GitHub Milestone

• (Grid issues for Oriol’s availability)
• (Everything else that didn’t have a constraint)

• [css-grid] Intrinsic contributions for items spanning flex tracks are not web compatible
• [css-grid] Growth limits not increased with min-content contributions of spanning items
• [css-overflow] Consider adding new CSS primitive for per-element panning and zooming (for web maps)
• [css-sizing] `height: stretch` should just behave as `height: auto`
• [css-sizing] Import aspect-ratio from child image
• [css-images] image-orientation:none violates same-origin policy
• [css-pseudo] Which properties to reset in ::marker
• [css-pseudo-4] ::first-letter should include space separators
• [css-cascade] What are the proper “levels” for managing Cascade Layers?

Tuesday

GitHub Milestone

• [css-sizing] how should inline-axis intrinsic sizing work for ‘fit-content’ and ‘fit-content()’? needs Oriol + dbaron to confirm

Line Layout

• [css-inline-3] leading-trim through to descendant line boxes needs dauwhe + dbaron + jensimmons
• [css-inline-3] Tight vs loose fit into a line box needs dauwhe + jfkthame + dbaron + Florian + Myles …

Initial Letter (needs faceless2 and dauwhe)

• [css-inline-3] initial-letters-wrap: first, whitespace collapse needs defining
• [css-inline-3] Drop ‘hebrew’ alignment from initial-letter-align
• [css-inline] alignment of initial-letter for South Asian scripts without hanging baseline
• [css-inline-3] initial-letters changing used, not computed font-size needs dbaron + Myles + emilio + heycam?
• [css-inline-3] text-align + initial-letter dbaron + faceless2
• [css-inline-3] initial-letters: interaction of shape-margin and regular margin
• [css-inline-3] Initial-letter alignment when ‘over-sunk’

Vertical Alignment

• [css-inline] naming of text-top and text-bottom baselines
• [css-inline] vertically align to nth-child
• [css-inline-3] vertical-align syntax / canonical ordering
• [css-inline-3] ‘vertical-align: middle’ on table cells
• [css-inline-3] vertical-align: super and font metrics recommend faceless2 + Myles + jfkthame
• [css-inline] vertically align to middle of cap height

Text (last hour)

• [css-text] letter-spacing should not apply to the end edge of a line/span? needs Koji and Chris Harrelson

Thursday

GitHub Milestone

• (TTML issue(s) first)
• (Open UI, any other UI)
• (mediaqueries)
• (CSS2 on Sam’s availabililty)

TTML

• [css-inline] inline-sizing property name is too similar to inline-size

UI

• [META] Presentation regarding Open UI
• [css-selectors] Can you standardise a pseudo-element selector for file inputs?
• [css-ui] Change appearance: button to only apply to buttons
• [css-ui] outline-width and “outline-style: auto”
• [css-pseudo-4] Add a highlight pseudo-element for find-in-page or scroll-to-text
• [css-ui] Add caret-width or add spec that browser maintains caret width despite transforms

Media Queries

• [mediaqueries-5] `prefers-contrast: high` media feature doesn’t account for macOS and iOS
• [media-queries-5] should “prefers-reduced-data” be binary or not
• [mediaqueries-5] prefers-contrast: infer contrast preference from forced colors
• [mediaqueries-5] redundant media feature
• [css-background-4] Switch to opt into transparent canvas for additive displays

CSS2

• Do we remove old sections or not? link to Pull Request

Friday

GitHub Milestone

Houdini tagged issues

CSS Houdini

• [css-properties-values-api] Make all the descriptors optional
• [css-layout-api] String based inline layout API
• Print behaviour & test requirements
• Ban data URL worklets
• [css-typed-om] Color conversion and contrast ratio needs Chris or Lea
• [css-typed-om] Prevent CSS Typed OM updates via `attributeStyleMap` from updating DOM `style` attributes
• [css-typed-om] Should TypedOM “simplify away” a calc() wrapper around a single numeric value when reifying, like serialization does?
• [css-typed-om] Switch CSSUnparsedValue and CSSTransformValue to having an arrayish member?

Line Layout

• [css-pseudo-4] ::first-letter should include space separators
• [css-inline-3] Initial-letter alignment when ‘over-sunk’
• [css-inline-3] Define em-top and em-bottom baselines needs Koji + jfkthame

Proposed Agenda

Please mark issues with the Agenda+ FTF tag

TODO: Add the full list of issues on GitHub explicitly here.

• https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/labels/Agenda%2B%20F2F
• https://github.com/w3c/fxtf-drafts/labels/Agenda%2B%20F2F
• https://github.com/w3c/css-houdini-drafts/labels/Agenda%2B%20F2F