W3C

Publishing Maintenance Working Group Telco

06 September 2024

Attendees

Present
Avneesh Singh, Brady Brady Duga, Charles LaPierre, davehall, Gautier Chomel, Gregorio Pellegrino, Hadrien Gardeur, Ivan Herman, Laurent Le Meur, Masakazu Kitahara, Matt Garrish, Rick Johnson, Shinya Takami, Toshiaki Koike, Tzviya Siegman, Wendy Reid
Regrets
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Chair
Wendy Reid
Scribe
Brady Duga, Wendy Reid

TPAC Agenda

<Wendy Reid> https://github.com/w3c/pm-wg/wiki/TPAC-2024-Agenda-(Draft)

Wendy Reid: Meeting is coming up!
… there are pointers to some topics, but want feedback (on existing items and missing items)

<Wendy Reid> https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/registration.html

Wendy Reid: Also please register if you plan to attend - even if remote!
… we will start with scrolled content/webtoons
… would like to get as much implementation stuff as possible
… next is substantive changes to epub
… mostly xhtml stuff

Brady Duga: I asked for the making changes discussion to be first because it might impact the web toons discussion
… depending on the direction we choose and the type of change it is

Charles LaPierre: Having webtoons first might push the next meeting

<Hadrien Gardeur> +1 for substantive changes as the first item

Ivan Herman: Order is due to timing concerns

Brady Duga: We did discuss that at the last meeting, we asked, we got a lot of "that's a bad time but we'll be there"

Shinya Takami: Asking about timezone in Japanese

Wendy Reid: Alternate proposal: do webtoons at the end of the day, early morning Japan time

Avneesh Singh: Maybe discuss at TPAC but not make a final decision
… Gives us some wiggle room to discuss at the WG meeting

Wendy Reid: Agreed, we don't have to decide
… But it would be great to decide on webtoons

Ivan Herman: Would prefer to make a final decision at TPAC
… this has been dragging for too long

Wendy Reid: If we open the issues and we have pre-discussion
… would that help?

Ivan Herman: Yes, but we should aim to close at TPAC

Wendy Reid: [continues to review current agenda]
… if there are any links missing for annotations please let me know, Then on to legistlation

Ivan Herman: Back to annotations, I wonder if Laurent can talk more about their project

Laurent Le Meur: No, not too early
… we will be able to put it on github and discuss before TPAC
… Main issue is identifiers and locators

Wendy Reid: EU a11y act, and ADA was updated (Title 2 requires WCAG 2.1 stuff)
… Title 3 will likely also be updated
… then audio book a11y and text to speech
… Hadrien Gardeur, maybe you can talk to this?

Hadrien Gardeur: yes, I will be remote, but I will attend and discuss

Wendy Reid: Last bit is any other business

Ivan Herman: Depends on Matt being there, since he knows what has changed

Matt Garrish: I will be there

Brady Duga: For webtoons, homework for people is to look at the existing issue and the proposals

w3c/epub-specs#2602

Brady Duga: Precomment before TPAC, is there any homework for the changes to EPUB topic
… what are the process requirements?
… is there any documentation we need before Anaheim

Ivan Herman: I won't make you read the process doc, but for any major changes we need to recharter
… we're close-ish to the end of our charter, so we may be helping ourselves
… we need to define what we want to do clearly

Tzviya Siegman: We met back in 2019 in Toronto where we talked about this, we may need to dig up the minutes
… serializing HTML
… many of us were there, we talked a lot about the pros and cons
… we don't need to repeat ourselves, so we should review ahead
… I don't know if it's good or bad to review them, things have changed, but it may give people perspective
… the question now is what can reading systems handle
… publishers will adapt

Hadrien Gardeur: Want to mention something else
… I have been working in accessible comics, how it is produced today and what could be done to make them truely accessible
… right now it is just a script and no more
… created some alternate examples, what is different about comics, etc
… may apply to fixed layout content and a11y
… may also apply to webtoons
… could also apply to regulation, depending on what happens with legistlation around a11y and comics

Avneesh Singh: Commenting on charter - before we even think about the charter we have to tackle the problem Tzviya mentioned
… We need to discuss strategy so we don't end up writing a spec and no one comes
… we should figure out what the plan is for epub next, which should be the focus

Ivan Herman: I agree, and as part of the charter this is necessary
… But under the current charter, our hands are very tied
… back to html5 - it became a little more urgent because the XHTML is no longer going forward

Charles LaPierre: I am testing a bunch of fixed layout books and found some interesting results
… Looking at several readers
… would love to get this example comic and share results

Tzviya Siegman: We had a website that had all the minutes from the IG
… I will look for the minutes

Ivan Herman: I will look as well
… maybe it was the Digital Publishing Working Group

Avneesh Singh: And it was discussed in the epubwg
… Would it be possible to create an xhtml->html task force headed by someone who understands the problems

Wendy Reid: There are two issues - impact to RS and publishers
… Mostly the tooling side

<Tzviya Siegman> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2018/2018-05-30-pwg.html

<Tzviya Siegman> https://www.w3.org/publishing/groups/publ-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2018/2018-05-31-pwg.html

Ivan Herman: We need something like that even for the recharter

Wendy Reid: Other side is, what version of epub do we mean? Probably not 3.3

Ivan Herman: Introducing the new and improved Tzviya!
… She has a new job and she is now on W3C staff
… staff can't chair, which is why she is no longer a chair
… Thank you Tzviya for everything, and we hope you will stay in the group!

Tzviya Siegman: I am the Sustainability Lead, working on member engagement in NA
… And I will be sticking around the group

https://www.w3.org/2024/09/TPAC/registration.html

Wendy Reid: We can end a little early, but *please* register for TPAC if you are coming
… Also please do the survey

https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2AWUdzTO/

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