Meeting minutes
Discussion for scrolled comics
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Shinya Takami: presenting slides for context. we discussed scrolled comics since long time. We have Apple and Amazon behavior and Hadrien proposal.
Shinya Takami: Japanese and Taiwan communities feedback show no strong opposition.
Hadrien Gardeur: interesting that the feedback mentions scrolls not being a layout but a behavior. I agree in general, but in the context of webtoon, the content is often formatted to be scrolled, and won't render well if paginated.
Dale Rogers: there is a difference between ignoring and trowing an error. How reading systems reacts here?
Hadrien Gardeur: usually it's ignored if not supported.
Hadrien Gardeur: for a RS, whatever we do, there will be work to support those contents.
Shinya Takami: the current way is supported by Apple and Amazon. I am not sure how long it will take to have support for the new value.
Laurent Le Meur: because of the missing value, historically, it has been ignored.
Laurent Le Meur: there will probably be a need for a RS rule if we want adoption.
Hadrien Gardeur: Shinya created good examples, we can use them to test.
Toshiaki Koike: we don't use OPF metadata.
Dale Rogers: i would love to see examples.
<Hadrien Gardeur> https://
Hadrien Gardeur: there are some on kadokawa website. There's also a gist. I would see ho to zip those and add them to an issue somewhere so people can check.
<Hadrien Gardeur> Full proposal from 2024: https://
Hadrien Gardeur: I suggest we work on a new proposal to get consensus.
Hadrien Gardeur: this would combine a New feature and an update for compatibility. The same path we went thru when we discussed fixed layout.
Shinya Takami: agree. We have a proposal, we need feedback from Apple and Amazon.
Laurent Le Meur: we can safely push as there is a fallback to support what is done by them. As it is, we won't break anything.
Hadrien Gardeur: agree, there no reason for opposition here, it's win win.
Shinya Takami: so we can go to the WG with this proposal. I will write an explanation of it.
Hadrien Gardeur: since we have time left, i suggest we discuss a second subject: referencing images.
referencing images
Hadrien Gardeur: comics are images. Can we reference them in the spine so we don't need to open the HTML? I think it would improve production, maintenance and reading. And no change to the spec is needed.
Laurent Le Meur: this one is more impactful, the RS must accepts html or svg. If we add images, that's possible with fallbacks. On EDRLab reading systems it's ok, we can get this, and that will improve the experience. I don't know for other RS.
Shinya Takami: we have dedicated RS for comics, they ingest images, to do that they extract them from HTML now, but they don't keep anything apart from images.
Laurent Le Meur: accessability of comics should not be done as big alt text, it's not a suficient way, it should be done with guided navigation. So referencing images instead of HTML should not affect accessibility.
Hadrien Gardeur: in the spine it's image first and HTML as feedback.
Toshiaki Koike: in manga we have TOC, for that it is usefull to have HTML. There's also image style used with HTML.
Hadrien Gardeur: there's a change if you have a table of content in the content, I've seen ones in SVG. I understand that manga have more appeal(?) than webtoon. We can push something only for webtoon and explore more for manga.
Shinya Takami: do we have consensus to go forward?
Shinya Takami: yes, so let's open a PR.
Shinya Takami: next call in next month